Our abject ignorance is duly compensated for by the richness of our hypotheticals. — TheMadFool
Where have you seen a similar perplexed perspective? Are you referring to PanEnDeism, or to Mysterianism, or simply to Inquisitive Agnosticism? :smile:That's a perspective I haven't seen in a long time. Good to know people aren't using their brains for just mundane activities. Imagination is a marvelous thing - there are so many possibilities to think about. Our abject ignorance is duly compensated for by the richness of our hypotheticals. — TheMadFool
Humanoid descendants without "self-awareness"??? Where's the fun in that? Our self-oriented egos may be an atavistic bottleneck. But at least it allows us a perspective from which to critique the non-me world. A rock on a mountain cannot see the stars, because it's not self-motivated to look up. :cool:For our descendants' sakes, let's hope not. I think 'human-level artificial intelligence' without any unnecessary atavistic, evolutionary-baggage like that metacognitive bottleneck "self-awareness" would be optimal. — 180 Proof
I didn't say that.Humanoid descendants without "self-awareness"??? — Gnomon
I disagree with this.Artificial Intelligence (1) without a self-image would also (2) lack free-will. Because it would (3) not be able to distinguish Self from Non-self.
That seems to be a semantic quibble. A morally responsible agent maps its environment, with Self as a as a You Are Here "token", in order to properly execute its cybernetic responsibilities. In other words, executive self-control must precede other-control. Yes?"Non-self" would be whatever AI "observed" that it could not control or it would have to use its executive functions to manipulate. Such a system maps its environment to include itself as a token which is also a parameter (or axis). — 180 Proof
metacognitive bottleneck "self-awareness" — 180 Proof
What I mean by 'atavistic ... metacognitive bottleneck of self-awareness' is an intelligent system which develops a "theory of mind" as humans do based on a binary "self-other" model wherein classes of non-selves are otherized to varying degrees (re: 'self-serving' (i.e. confabulation-of-the-gaps) biases, prejudices, ... tribalism, etc). — 180 Proof
What I mean by 'atavistic ... metacognitive bottleneck of self-awareness' is an intelligent system which develops a "theory of mind" as humans do based on a binary "self-other" model wherein classes of non-selves are otherized to varying degrees (re: 'self-serving' (i.e. confabulation-of-the-gaps) biases, prejudices, ... tribalism, etc). — 180 Proof
Where have you seen a similar perplexed perspective? — Gnomon
At least when the flesh is healthy (which ignorance makes more difficult.) — hanaH
Great scene, great cast, great movie. My little brother and I had nightmares all summer long after seeing Jaws at a Long Island, NY drive-in with my (crazy) uncle when it first came out. :monkey: :up::fire: Moral of the story: I'm gonna need a bigger boat. — TheMadFool
??? No idea what this reply has to do with my previous post.By the way, very Buddhist (anattā).
Great scene, great cast, great movie. My little brother and I had nightmares all summer long after seeing Jaws at Long Island drive-in with my (crazy) uncle when it first came out. :monkey: :up: — 180 Proof
By the way, very Buddhist (anattā).
??? No idea what this reply has to do with my previous post. — 180 Proof
This post should do. And this post too. Lastly, Fool, this post on mysticism to aufheben (i.e. sublimate) the other two.Ego-death? Ah, but you don't buy into that idea,believing[proposing] instead in Ego-transcendence[suspension] or something like that. Do you mind jogging my memory too? — TheMadFool
I get your meaning now: yes, AI without 'self-awareness' (and thereby without all of the defects which come with having an ego-self). :up:By the way, very Buddhist (anattā). — TheMadFool
"I neither know nor think I know" — Gnomon
nonlinear — 180 Proof
Elaborate on what? If you missed it, I included a link in my previous post. — 180 Proof
Follow the link. — 180 Proof
think for yourself — 180 Proof
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