God would not create stupid, ignorant immoral people and create a dangerous world and plonk the stupid ignorant immoral people in it, would he? If you think he would, provide an argument. — Bartricks
So, to be clear, if you order toast and receive a cold, urine soaked piece of mouldy bread, it is reasonable - as far as you are concerned - to conclude that the finest chef in the world received your order and produced what is now in front of you? — Bartricks
Not as evil, I think, as the Abrahamic God must be for giving us a form of "free will" too weak for us to freely – easily – choose in every instance not to make others and ourselves suffer needlessly (i.e. "making us sick but commanding us to be well"). Thus, the argument from poor design.Well wouldnt God be evil if he denied free will to human beings as well? — DingoJones
Yeah, of course. I do.Do we just chalk this up to the inherently nonsensical nature of omni-god ...
1.If God exists, he would have created the best possible world.
2.There are cases where evil does not lead to the fruition of some greater good (ex: holocaust, starving children, etc.)
3.God could have created a world without these types evil
4.Therefore, God did not create the best possible world [2,3]
5. Therefore, God does not exist. [1,4] — tryhard
It seems that the problem of evil is the most powerful argument against the theist argument. — tryhard
It seems that the problem of evil is the most powerful argument against the theist argument.
The support for the first premise is the assumption that God is a perfect being by definition.
God has the ability to remove evil, and the attribute of benevolence attached to his nature seems to compel God to remove evil.
It seems that the only hope of combatting this objection is for the theists to justify evil's existence.
If God exists, he would have created the best possible world.
There are cases where evil does not lead to the fruition of some greater good (ex: holocaust, starving children, etc.)
God could have created a world without these types evil
Therefore, God did not create the best possible world [2,3]
Can anyone provide an argument that provides justification for the existence of evil while taking into account the unnecessary evils, or gratuitous evils, that we seem to observe throughout our life experiences?
If there be any in this assembly, any dear friend of Caesar's, to him I say, that Brutus' love to Caesar was no less than his. If then that friend demand why Brutus rose against Caesar, this is my answer: —Not that I hated (loved) Caesar (less), but that I loved
Rome more. — Marcus Brutus (Julius Caesar)
"If there's a God, why aren't people always happy?" — theRiddler
logically inconsistent, and impossible — Philosophim
logically inconsistent, and impossible
— Philosophim
You might wanna reconsider that. — Agent Smith
I have, and that is what I've concluded. Its your job to show me why my conclusion is wrong. "I don't think so," is not philosophy. — Philosophim
I have, and that is what I've concluded. Its your job to show me why my conclusion is wrong. "I don't think so," is not philosophy.
— Philosophim
Well, the law of noncontradiction seems to imply idealism. Are you an idealist? — Agent Smith
The problem of evil reveals to us that we cannot label a God as limited to acting a certain way, when that God is without limits. That's just logically inconsistent, and impossible. — Philosophim
Yes. I accept Aristotle's logic, which concludes that a First Cause is necessary to explain the contingent existence of our world. That's even more obvious since the evidence for a cosmic beginning was discovered in the notions of evolution and expansion. But although his Prime Mover was self-existent, he didn't insist that it was "perfect", in the sense of moral excellence.My objection rests heavily on the inconsistency of there existing a perfect being in the same reality as an imperfect world. Can anyone provide an argument that provides justification for the existence of evil while taking into account the unnecessary evils, or gratuitous evils, that we seem to observe throughout our life experiences? — tryhard
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