↪boethius Likewise, if you want us to believe that the Russian government gives a rat's ass about the lives of ethnic Russians in Ukraine, do try and explain why Russian forces are bombing so many ethnic Russians in Ukraine... — Olivier5
Russian state-controlled media is still pushing the "biolabs" story. — SophistiCat
Honestly, you don't? — Olivier5
unlikely they care about ethnic Russians fighting the war. — boethius
There's no longer interest in getting food to our Afghanistan "friends" because there's no more arms sales related to the issue. — boethius
Also unlikely that they care about ethnic Russians NOT fighting the war either, because the civilians being bombed in Mariupol are in majority ethnic Russians. — Olivier5
Nuland — boethius
Don't bother tagging me, I am not reading your ignorant bullshit. — SophistiCat
But if you have a better explanation of Nuland's answer, feel free to debate that point of view on a debate forum. — boethius
We can not exclude that there are competing views within the American establishment toward this war. — neomac
Others do not want to escalate it further. Maybe "fuck-the-EU" Nuland is dog-whistling to the Russian propaganda and intelligence on purpose, to galvanize them and maybe offer them a pretext for becoming even more reckless. In other words, Nuland and the piece of establishment she represents could be doing their dirty job by exploiting such ambiguous declarations in public hearings. — neomac
she's answering the direct question of whether there are bio-weapons in Ukraine. — boethius
it obviously will play well to the Russian supporters of the war and consolidate support for the war, which makes the war less reckless. — boethius
the classic strategy for what you propose is to feed Russia false intelligence that can be easily disproved, denied or just ignored later. — boethius
"fuck-the-EU" Nuland just wants to do what she claims and fuck the EU by orchestrating a coup with neo-Nazi's, setting those neo-Nazi's up with means and resources and then institutional legitimacy, and then setting up bio-weapons labs for this neo-Nazi cesspool as she feels that's a good way to "fuck-the-EU" which is her stated desire. — boethius
EU has gotten fucked, has it not? — boethius
If they wanted a clear & unequivocal answer from Nuland, they would have asked for such an answer. But they didn’t, and also that can be seen as suspicious. — neomac
Feeding the Russian propaganda with half truths to increase Russian support will facilitate Russian use of chemical weapons in a "false flag" attacks against Ukraine [1]. This is for example what I would consider more reckless. — neomac
I’m referring to a war of propaganda and how the intelligence resources might be invested to feed the propaganda machine. — neomac
’m just saying that one part of the American establishment might find some use in feeding the “neo-Nazi”, “bio-weapons”, “Russian genocide” narrative in a way that on their side grants plausible deniability while on the other side it can contribute to escalate tensions between Russia, Ukraine and EU. — neomac
As much as Russia, its useful idiots and its useless troll army. — neomac
The Russian demands fall into two categories.
The first four demands are, according to Mr Kalin, not too difficult for Ukraine to meet.
Chief among them is an acceptance by Ukraine that it should be neutral and should not apply to join Nato. Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky has already conceded this.
There are other demands in this category which mostly seem to be face-saving elements for the Russian side.
Ukraine would have to undergo a disarmament process to ensure it wasn't a threat to Russia. There would have to be protection for the Russian language in Ukraine. And there is something called de-Nazification.
This is deeply offensive to Mr Zelensky, who is himself Jewish and some of whose relatives died in the Holocaust, but the Turkish side believes it will be easy enough for Mr Zelensky to accept. Perhaps it will be enough for Ukraine to condemn all forms of neo-Nazism and promise to clamp down on them. — BBC
Still, President Putin's demands are not as harsh as some people feared and they scarcely seem to be worth all the violence, bloodshed and destruction which Russia has visited on Ukraine.
Given his heavy-handed control over the Russian media, it shouldn't be too hard for him and his acolytes to present all this as a major victory. — BBC
President Putin's demands are not as harsh as some people feared — BBC
Some Kremlin PR hack drafting respectable-sounding diplomatic soundbytes to feed to the media, meanwhile Putin's army is destroying entire cities full of non-combatants because his troops are too incompetent to win on a battlefield. — Wayfarer
↪boethius Yeah, I get that, but, you know, actions speak louder than words. — Wayfarer
In your cryptosoviet dreams. — Olivier5
The senator was totally shocked that the answer wasn't no, and changed the subject to his next question (aka. damage control) — boethius
she's talking about shouldn't fall in the hands of the Russians and they're working hard to make sure that doesn't happen. — boethius
which is alarming and also just weird as to why they didn't take care of it if they knew the war was coming as US intelligence publicly claimed. — boethius
What does the EU get? — boethius
EU doesn't have hard power, — boethius
Any fact in this sea of confusion? Any salient idea, even? It reads like a long, clumsy propaganda piece, honestly. Your rhetoric is as empty as the Kremlin's. — Olivier5
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