We should recognize that powerful nations will pursue their interests as brutally as they can get away with, regardless of who they are. — Baden
Biden ended the support for the war against Yemen. — frank
Biden ended the support for the war against Yemen. — frank
Was this before or after the US$650 million arms deal with SA in November 2021? — StreetlightX
After. — frank
Pakistan? How Pakistan? Actually Pakistan is just a great example and the way how the US treated a country that assisted a lot the fighters that the US fought and lost to. Pakistan is the crazy example of a country being an "ally" to both sides and getting away with it.
Afghanistan? Well, the Emirate of Afghanistan is back after fighting a long war against the US, which was backed by NATO. Even South Vietnam held a bit longer than the US backed Afghanistan. So did also the Najibullah regime too.
And finally Iraq. Well, I could start just how problematic and stressed the US-Iraqi relations are, but you would be bored, I guess, and this response would be too long. — ssu
But then do you think that the war to liberate Kuwait from the Iraqi invasion illegal?LOL. This is exactly the double standards that agitates me. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were illegal. — Benkei
Meanwhile American material support of genocidal regimes like Israel or brutal dictatorships like Egypt continue apace. — StreetlightX
It's useful to keep all this in mind and to condemn every illegal war, including the current aggression of a democracy by a dictatorship in Ukraine. Two wrongs don't make a right. — Olivier5
I'm not misrepresenting you at all. I understood that you were talking about the 2003 invasion. But I was referring to another war.Why are you purposefully misrepresenting I was talking about the Gulf War when I'm referring to Iraq? — Benkei
And those who don't condemn it, but accept issues like the annexation of Crimea by force should be as trolls left out of the discussion.It's useful to keep all this in mind and to condemn every illegal war, including the current aggression of a democracy by a dictatorship in Ukraine. Two wrongs don't make a right. — Olivier5
But the question is what you think about these conflicts. Were they illegal? — ssu
Don't recall saying otherwise, but sure. — StreetlightX
I think — Olivier5
This thread is about now about the war in Ukraine. Earlier it was about a crisis in Ukraine.This is irrelevant to the point that plenty of illegal wars were fought by the USA and NATO and to now cry foul about Russia is just hypocrisy, which once again goes to the point that if legality isn't a relevant measure by all parties involved it shouldn't be an argument to absolve USA and NATO from their responsibility when considered strategically. — Benkei
Russia's internal politics are irrelevant. I don't give a shit that Putin is a criminal. I care about avoiding needless bloodshed and accepting that regional powers project a sphere of influence in which you cannot fuck around without consequences. So all this IMF and NATO shit should be called out for what it is : provocations.
The EU and the US need to just fuck off and de-escalate. — Benkei
Bluff called. Watch how sanctions are all that will happen and Putin having effectively made the point Russia won't back off where its sphere of influence is concerned with a "cheap" war.
Let's hope it doesn't further escalate because that will result in a lot of people dying for some shitty geopolitical wrangling as a result of the US trying to project power into areas it doesn't even have realistic interests, meanwhile fucking with energy stability in Europe.
As usual citizens either pay or die for politicians' egos. — Benkei
Both the land grabs in 1948 and 1967 are prime examples of aggression and war crimes terrible. And while the Arabs and Palestinians certainly weren't innocent in 1948 the number of innocent victims targeted by the Arab nations and Israel shows a clear difference, with Israel Zionist elites already showing it's true colours in 1948. After 1967 the balance of power in the region had permanently shifted in favour of Israel, or actually before that, 1967 simply was the proof in the pudding.
What is not complicated about the history is that Israel stole land twice and continues to do so through its colonialist settler program, evictions, apartheid rule and stranglehold "occupation". What is not complicated is that there are clear oppressors and oppressed. What is not complicated is that Israeli war crimes far outstrip anything the Arabs and Palestinians have committed combined. What is not complicated, therefore, is having moral clarity as to who deserves our support and who doesn't. — Benkei
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