So it's really innaccurate to describe what is published by the non-Russian media as propoganda. — Wayfarer
you may see the mods as pro-Russian. but I tend to see them (or most of them) as pro-Western. — Apollodorus
You got called out by me for basically copypastaing a Biden speech. — Baden
The Russian campaign is arguably already a total failure. According to sober estimates they've lost 15,000 troops, that is more than in their entire Afghanistan campaign, and failed to fully capture any city. The troops are demoralised and were it not for the Russian willingness to destroy civilian infrastructure with missiles they would be considered totally defeated already; they've had to practically destroy the only city (Mariopul) they've come near to capturing. As a consequence of all this, NATO and the United States are more united than ever, NATO has drawn up plans to bolster its defensive forces on all of their Eastern lines. Russia is almost totally isolated from the rest of the world save India and China and some other hold-outs. The Russian economy is contracting at a rate which is bound to ensure a domestic depression and a catastrophic diminution of living standards, erasing nearly all the gains made by economic liberalisation since the end of the USSR. In short, the whole adventure has been a catastrophic error of judgement which is going to end in disaster for the Russian government. So, I think you're backing the wrong horse. — Wayfarer
Baden had some good examples of propaganda by Western media outlets. Brushing that off as bias is in my view problematic because it suggests all journalists collectively suck. — Benkei
But the images we've been seeing of entire regions completely gutted by long-range missiles, millions of people fleeing, bodies in the streets - this is not 'propoganda', it's actually happening. — Wayfarer
For example, if you have no interest in looking at a map or military positioning or historical precedent, then while you are entitled to your opinion, it's entirely worthless. — Baden
Yes, and how do you square this with Russia being the big loser of this war. — Baden
My reasoning is that Putin's forces may succeed in finally subduing the Ukrainian army — Wayfarer
The Russian campaign is arguably already a total failure — Wayfarer
So if Russia kills or displaces most of the population and practically destroys the country, then do you call that 'success'? — Wayfarer
as far as I'm concerned it's factual. I will post stories that draw attention to this from time to time. — Wayfarer
As for 'backing the wrong horse' that is a comment on your repeated suggestion that Putin might succeed or win, whatever that might mean, but I'm not going to argue the case further at this point as it's obviously inflammatory. — Wayfarer
we agree the invasion was unjustified and Putin is a very bad guy, so there's no debate on that score and there's no need to keep inserting it. — Baden
I said the unsubstantiated idea that the war was going disastrously for Putin — Baden
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So who the heck does have this info on the situation of the Russian military on the ground? — Manuel
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