if we could enter into association agreements with Turkey, Moldova and Albania, we sure as hell could've done the same with another corrupt regime. — Benkei
I've explained the logical reasoning behind it — Christoffer
Interesting, that would mean you're pretty bad at your job since you believe a hell of a lot that you won't elaborate or support in any way, and you should definitely understand that knowledge, or rather beliefs passed down from parents to children is a core part of the social construction of how beliefs manifest and no way near the kind of knowledge that can help people break free from indoctrination and propaganda in a culture. — Christoffer
You saying you are right because you claim yourself to be a professor of psychology is a fallacy — Christoffer
nothing of what you argue seems to rhyme with the actual knowledge you present yourself to be an expert in. — Christoffer
do you have a valid or reasonable argument? — Christoffer
Are you telling me that nothing of this can be taught to people? — Christoffer
In basic form, teaching epistemology will show students that there's more to a claim, truth, fact or argument, even done by yourself, than just accepting it as plain truth. — Christoffer
If there's no need for education, why don't you just quit your job then? — Christoffer
Yes, that can be true with educated parents of nations with less corruption or state-controlled information. But religious and authoritarian societies are very much existing in a lot of places in the world and that's when this type of method falls flat and becomes indoctrination through tradition. Five generations of people living inside the truth of an authoritarian regime does not learn to question anything if all their knowledge comes from parents already indoctrinated. It becomes a feedback loop for them, with no keys to break out of that loop. — Christoffer
Then why haven't those nations already done it? What are they natively lacking which has prevented this? — Isaac
One part can be that they don't have any teachers for this type of educational form. So those teachers need to be educated first. — Christoffer
Just throw the books at them and they'll learn? Yeah, right — Christoffer
Letting parents teach their own children the same thing they were taught within such nations does not generate anything other than the same servents of those regimes that those parents were taught to be. — Christoffer
regarding your opposition to formal education, aren't there a lot of studies showing how important it is for kids to get out of their homes and interact with other people as well as other perspectives than their own or what they've learned at home? — Christoffer
As an example, is examining a topic with deduction reasoning part of normal human thought? Have you ever met someone who figured out such methods on their own? — Christoffer
And what about those who don't have a high proficiency in logical reasoning? Who tend to always gravitate towards bias or agreeableness of others' opinions without questioning anything. Do you think they will "invent" methods to help them bypass those weaknesses out of thin air? — Christoffer
To say that people of the population of the world today can just let "learning" happen on its own is a pure utopian delusion. — Christoffer
Didn't you argue for letting nations just be themselves and solve things themselves? — Christoffer
Here you mention a lot of interventions by the west — Christoffer
You'd rather develop some convoluted story about how I've managed to become a professor of Psychology yet still hold the (obviously wrong) beliefs rather than simply come to terms with the possibility you might be wrong. — Isaac
Because you are a professor? — Christoffer
Have you ever examined yourself and your own tools of defense? — Christoffer
You are still using your authority as a reason for me to be wrong. — Christoffer
None of this has any real arguments behind them, but you are a professor, so therefore your authority as such a professor makes your arguments correct. — Christoffer
Again, you claim yourself to be an expert, therefore I'm wrong and therefore I need to rethink my conclusions. — Christoffer
And now you call everyone else "laymen". — Christoffer
you claim intellectual superiority because you are a professor — Christoffer
No. But you can use your own judgement. Some of the most blatant lies are so obvious.Wow. You're going with "It looks like a lie to me, therefore it must be one". Because you're infallible? — Isaac
The key pert, for our purposes here, being thatit will look like one thing. So if you just take everything to be the way it looks to be, then you'll fall for every single propaganda piece presented to you. — Isaac
you can use your own judgement. Some of the most blatant lies are so obvious. — ssu
Do these look like volunteers that have lived in Crimea and have taken up arms against Ukraine after the Maidan revolution? Or do they appear to be Russian soldiers? — ssu
What's your argumentation here? As if we didn't want to have trade with Russia? On the contrary, the Europeans would have just loved to have that commerce and trade with Russia, just the same way as we have wanted with China. The idea went, just like with China, that economic prosperity will make these countries have better relations with us. And that they will change to be like us and value things like rule of law and democracy (and the usual stuff).Where we went wrong is not making serious progress in trying to increase economic interdependence with Russia in the 90s when circumstances were right. — Benkei
What policy are you talking about?Instead the West collectively chose to keep treating them as enemies. That was the wrong policy. — Benkei
In one of his earliest new foreign policy initiatives, President Obama sought to reset relations with Russia and reverse what he called a “dangerous drift” in this important bilateral relationship. President Obama and his administration have sought to engage the Russian government to pursue foreign policy goals of common interest – win-win outcomes -- for the American and Russian people.
What policy are you talking about? — ssu
That's totally illogical and basically a strawman argument. It is Putin who is saying that those forces in the picture are Crimean volunteers.They appear to be Russian soldiers. Because they're meant to appear to be Russian soldiers, that's the point of the propaganda image.
Propaganda is something which is presented to appear to be one thing, when it is, in fact, another. — Isaac
Don't let the denazification of Ukraine disturb you:Talking about narratives. "Kill the brutes" seems like an interesting series which I'm going to watch instead of post. :wink: — Benkei
“What should Russia do with Ukraine?” published by the news agency RIA Novosti, declares that Russian forces should not draw sharp distinctions between Ukraine’s military and civilians.
“Denazification is necessary when a significant part of the people – most likely the majority – has been absorbed and drawn into politics by the Nazi regime. That is, when the hypothesis “the people are good – the government is bad” does not work,” it states.
The RIA article, written by Timofei Sergeitsev, goes on to say that “a significant part of the popular mass, which are passive Nazis, accomplices of Nazism, is also guilty… War criminals and active Nazis must be punished approximately and demonstratively. Total purification should be carried out.”
Why should this disturb me more than Yemen exactly? — Benkei
It is Putin who is saying that those forces in the picture are Crimean volunteers. — ssu
stick really to the example: the pictures of those soldiers were said to be Crimean volunteers by Russia. — ssu
Selective?Don't let your selective moral indignation disturb you then. — Benkei
In a thread about Ukraine, the counterargument seems to but everything else than what is happening in Ukraine. — ssu
Yes, and if someone says things that seem to be incorrect to me or I disagree with, then one should point it out.This is s discussion forum. It's for discussion. — Isaac
If you want to see how upset people can be in this forum, check up the threads about the George Floyd killing and police violence in general. That was heated.If you want to read up on the news or let everyone know how upset you are, I strongly suggest you use the appropriate institutions specialising in those services. — Isaac
The point is that you can use common sense. It's not all that blurry and utterly confusing that you cannot make sense of it.You gave me one picture. If you want me to comment on the " massive amount" of similar pictures you'll have to post them. Of course, corroborating evidence is one of the things a further investigation would look for. You were talking about a single image. — Isaac
Ah, the race card!Meanwhile, genocide in Ethiopia. But the Western countries are falling over each other to be the first to voice paroxysomatic condemnations of Russia's behaviour because at least Ukrainians are white. — Benkei
How about asking the Ukrainians? — jorndoe
Yet a nuclear holocaust wasn't inevitable. Not only did it not happen, but the Soviet Union collapsed and before that there actually was nuclear disarmament. Hence LeMay's "rationality" was not only wrong, but actually quite dangerous.
I think we have to understand that wars aren't inevitable. — ssu
There's not enough trust between countries for that, unfortunately. And things are now getting just worse as military spending is going to increase.If wars are not inevitable lets go for total disarmament, I mean total. Some countries do not have armed forces. — FreeEmotion
Ah, the race card!
I think I would accept more the distance card here. This is an event happening in the neighboring country to me and for both for me and Christopher the events have dramatically change the security environment in our countries. — ssu
I suppose your arrogance precludes you from emphatising with people you talk to. — Benkei
Again. Let's look at that picture. Do these look like volunteers, people that have lived in Crimea, yet in the days after the Maidan revolution have taken up arms against the new Ukrainian government? Or do they appear to be Russian soldiers? — ssu
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