You do realize that there are some pro-choice Christians, correct? — Arkady
You do realize that there are some pro-choice Christians, correct? — Arkady
The point is that presumably everyone (or nearly so) who is pro-choice doesn't believe that abortion constitutes murder, whether they're Christians, atheists, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, or whatever. You were drawing a dichotomy between the supposed proscription of abortion in Christianity and the supposedly atheistic belief that abortion isn't murder, while seemingly ignoring the fact that some Christians are pro-choice.Atheists don't think abortion amounts to murder. — TheMadFool
How does one deal with cognitive dissonance in general? Usually by compartmentalizing one's beliefs. — Arkady
Does anyone actually bathe in a bath house? It would seem there would be few bath houses because most people have running water in their homes and can just bathe there. It would be like going to a dressing house to get dressed. I mean, just get dressed at home.I had sex in gay bath houses where the Holy — Bitter Crank
Does anyone actually bathe in a bath house? — Hanover
Because no person can be held culpable for their not existing. You seek to accuse women of "snuffing out a life" by means of a certain action. As I demonstrated, the same result follows by means of a certain inaction (i.e. celibacy, in this case). Ergo, celibate women are equally culpable for "snuffing out a human life" as women who obtain abortions. Non-existent people cannot "snuff out" anything (one must exist in order to do the snuffing).Yeah, right. Instead of "had their mother been celibate", why go even further and use the substitution, "had their mother never existed"? Obviously, the argument needs to begin with a pregnant woman, otherwise it will quickly degenerate into witless absurdity. — Dredge
And the alternative is coercion, not life. Ironically, "pro-life" is the more deliberately chosen position - it's just a choice of meddlers — Roke
is anyone participating actually pro-life here? — Maw
why isn't childbirth by extension torture? Why would God make it painful? Why does stillbirth occur in 1 out of 160 pregnancies? — Maw
why isn't childbirth by extension torture? Why would God make it painful? Why does stillbirth occur in 1 out of 160 pregnancies? — Maw
But let us assume, for the moment, that every three-day-old human embryo has a soul worthy of our moral concern. Embryos at this stage occasionally split, becoming separate people (identical twins). Is this a case of one soul splitting into two? Two embryos sometimes fuse into a single individual, called a chimera. You or someone you know may have developed in this way. No doubt theologians are struggling even now to determine what becomes of the extra human soul in such a case.
Isn't it time we admitted that this arithmetic of souls does not make any sense? The naive idea of souls in a Petri dish is intellectually indefensible. It is also morally indefensible, given that it now stands in the way of some of the most promising research in the history of medicine. Your beliefs about the human soul are, at this very moment, prolonging the scarcely endurable misery of tens of millions of human beings. — Sam Harris
do you want me to attribute to God all those horrible things? — Bitter Crank
I think it's fair to blame the volcano for the lava it makes which then destroys a town, just as one might blame God for having made fallible creatures that then destroy the world. — Heister Eggcart
Well, to play the devil's advocate once again (an ironic phrase in this instance), the Christian might respond to as follows. God is indeed ultimately responsible for everything, including the fall, but this is precisely why he sent his son, Jesus, to redeem his creation. If he did not do this, then we would, as you imply, be obliged to think of him as wicked. All the same, in a proximate sense, humans are still responsible for the fall. — Thorongil
Does this mean that God was wicked before he sent himself in Christ to redeem the world? — Heister Eggcart
If it is in God's very nature to create, then he cannot thus abort the world once it falls to sin, as such would be against his nature. — Heister Eggcart
Although, wouldn't "aborting" the world actually be an act of God's will to create, that in destroying the world he thus creates nothing in its place? Perhaps in this way, creation ends up just being a not-so-merry-go-round. — Heister Eggcart
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