It's obviously relevant that one of the main reasons for fighting and not making peace with Russia, and one major galvanization of Ukrainian and Western public opinion behind Ukraine was the "right to join NATO" which Zelenskyy was already told by NATO would never happen. — boethius
Your post is very unclear. Try and write less but clearer. — Olivier5
Pre-war, Zelenskyy might legitimely have had other priorities than changing the constitution. — Olivier5
More generally, why the agressive stance towards Zelenskyy? — Olivier5
He's doing well, the best he can. — Olivier5
If one has to be a political realist and accept Putin as a player, as you have argued, what's the point of bitching endlessly about the other guy, Zelenskyy? — Olivier5
“It doesn’t have to be solid intelligence,” one U.S. official said. “It’s more important to get out ahead of them [the Russians], Putin specifically, before they do something."
Multiple U.S. officials acknowledged that the U.S. has used information as a weapon even when confidence in the accuracy of the information wasn’t high. Sometimes it has used low-confidence intelligence for deterrent effect, as with chemical agents, and other times, as an official put it, the U.S. is just “trying to get inside Putin’s head.”
In another disclosure, U.S. officials said one reason not to provide Ukraine with MiG fighter jets is that intelligence showed Russia would view the move as escalatory.
That was true, but it was also true of Stinger missiles, which the Biden administration did provide, two U.S. officials said, adding that the administration declassified the MiG information to bolster the argument not to provide them to Ukraine.
It was an attention-grabbing assertion that made headlines around the world: U.S. officials said they had indications suggesting Russia might be preparing to use chemical agents in Ukraine.
President Joe Biden later said it publicly. But three U.S. officials told NBC News this week there is no evidence Russia has brought any chemical weapons near Ukraine. They said the U.S. released the information to deter Russia from using the banned munitions.
Maybe it's perfectly clear — boethius
Lying about the reasons to fight and die are not "doing the best you can". — boethius
Had Zelenskyy simply not mentioned joining NATO as a reason to fight, — boethius
Why the "aggressive" attitude towards Putin? — boethius
However, if a peace deal is the only resolution of the war available to Ukrainians, then understanding the opposing perspectives is required to find a peaceful resolution. — boethius
To you, certainly it is. But not to me. — Olivier5
What lie are you talking about, oh confused one? — Olivier5
That's a lie. Ukraine is fighting to defend herself, not for the right to enter NATO. — Olivier5
Mr Putin decided to start a pretty atrocious war and threatened the world with nuclear Armageddon, if you remember. — Olivier5
Likewise, if a peace deal is the only resolution of the war available to Russians, then understanding the Ukrainian perspective is required to find a peaceful resolution. Tell that to your masters. — Olivier5
Zelenskyy pretending to not have been told NATO would never let Ukraine in, but advocating to join NATO and making social media stunts for the purposes of joining NATO etc. is one of those "the big lie" as a rational to fight the Russians. — boethius
You may have a short memory, but "Ukraine has a right to join NATO" was not only a reason to fight, but also a reason to refuse Russia's peace terms
— boethius
they can get the Ukrainian perspective anytime of the day or night by turning on CNN. — boethius
So did Zelenskyy. — boethius
What evidence is there that Zelenskyy was told about that before the war? At what occasion did NATO tell him? — Olivier5
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said Sunday that if his country had been admitted into the North Atlantic Treaty Organization alliance earlier, then Russia would not have invaded the country.
“If we were a NATO member, a war wouldn't have started. I'd like to receive security guarantees for my country, for my people,” Zelensky told CNN’s Fareed Zakaria on “GPS,” adding that he was grateful for the aid NATO has provided since the invasion began. “If NATO members are ready to see us in the alliance, then do it immediately because people are dying on a daily basis.”
He continued, “But if you are not ready to preserve the lives of our people, if you just want to see us straddle two worlds, if you want to see us in this dubious position where we don't understand whether you can accept us or not — you cannot place us in this situation, you cannot force us to be in this limbo.”
"I requested them personally to say directly that we are going to accept you into NATO in a year or two or five, just say it directly and clearly, or just say no," Zelensky said. "And the response was very clear, you're not going to be a NATO member, but publicly, the doors will remain open," he said. — CNN
Refresh my memory and present evidence of that, oh noble liar for the great One. — Olivier5
That's a lie again. Mr Zelenskyy started no war. — Olivier5
He literally said this on live television in a CNN interview ....
— boethius
"I requested them personally to say directly that we are going to accept you into NATO in a year or two or five, just say it directly and clearly, or just say no," Zelensky said. "And the response was very clear, you're not going to be a NATO member, but publicly, the doors will remain open," he said. — CNN
I said he continued the war that Ukraine started by refusing to accept Crimea and Dombas right to self determination. — boethius
But that quote is dated a week after the start of the war. Before the war, he was never told that. — Olivier5
On the contrary, he is the one asking for a transparent popular vote in Crimea. — Olivier5
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In theory, that's precisely what it implies and requires: a vote. — Olivier5
Okay so you dot exactly know when he was told but it was after or soon before the start of the war. — Olivier5
So my case is strengthened: it was not a priority for him to change the constitution before the war. He had no good reason to do so. — Olivier5
But you personal bias against the democratically elected leader of a nation invaded by a militaristic autocracy is noted. — Olivier5
But your personal bias against the democratically elected leader of a nation invaded by a criminal and militaristic autocracy is sadly noted. — Olivier5
How would you figure out what they want without asking them? — Olivier5
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