A self-created mathematics that somehow spawns tiny little particles of energy with stupid electrons and protons and positrons, and nucleons, all the known leptons, and now gravitons, invisible bosons. And quantum fluctuations and absurdity. — chiknsld
The chooks laid two eggs for my breakfast. That'll do. — Banno
The "absurdity" comes from the demand for, or expectation of, there to be a "reason that existence should exist", and is especially so because, upon reflection it's clear, the only "reason for existence" which does not precipitate an infinite regress of reasons for reasons ad absurdum is that there is not any such "reason that existence should exist". Furthermore, It's absurd both to deny this ineluctable limit of reason and to devalue the indispensability of reason on account of this existential limit (e.g. platonism, finalism, objective idealism, fideism, super-naturalism, subjectivism, magical thinking, etc).Why is there existence at all? This is truly absurd. This is the absurdity of existence. There is no reason that existence should exist. — chiknsld
The chooks laid two eggs for my breakfast. That'll do. — Banno
Very little is needed to make a happy life; it is already within yourself, your way of thinking. — Marcus Aurelius
At all levels, the systems of life - from sociopolitical systems to solar systems - are repugnant and should be negated as MALIGNANTLY USELESS.
Fact is, nothing can justify our existence. Existence of any flavor is not only unjustified, it is useless, malignantly so, and has nothing to recommend it over nonexistence. A person’s addiction to existence is understandable as a telltale of the fear of nonexistence, but one’s psychology as a being that already exists does not justify existence as a condition to be perpetuated but only explains why someone would want to perpetuate it. For the same reason, even eternal bliss in a holy hereafter is unjustified, since it is just another form of existence, another instance in which the unjustifiable is perpetuated. That anyone should have a bias for heaven over nonexistence should by rights be condemned as hedonistic by the same people who scoff at Schopenhauer for complaining about the disparity between “the effort and the reward” in human life. People may believe they can choose any number of things. But they cannot choose to undo their existence, leaving them to live and die as puppets who have had an existence forced upon them whose edicts they must follow. If you are already among the existent, anything you do will be unjustified and MALIGNANTLY USELESS. — Ligotti, Conspiracy Against the Human Race
Even pragmatism is a role you decide to play. — schopenhauer1
You accusing me of pragmatism? Wanna step outside to discuss this? Or take your insult back. — Banno
dealing with things sensibly and realistically in a way that is based on practical rather than theoretical considerations. — Google
The proper answer to the chicken and egg riddle, as any Peircean knows, is first came the pansemiosis, then came the biosemiosis. First there was the entropy gradient, then the genetic code that entrained it. — apokrisis
You keep mentioning maths and then just as fast dismissing it. Couldn’t the cosmos have mathematical necessity and thus corporeal inevitability? — apokrisis
There are so many reasons, for example, why three spatial dimensions are the self-optimising outcome if there is any dimensional structure at all.
Only in 3D do the number of directions of rotation match the number of directions of translation. And thus only in 3D do we have the closure of Noether’s theorem and Newtonian mechanics where spin and straight line motion are “inertial” - an intrinsic symmetry or invariance of the geometry. — apokrisis
But humans can choose not to bring more life into the world. So they can choose nothingness in terms of a POV that another would otherwise take on. We are a species that can choose nothingness, contra the rest of the universe, perhaps, which can't help but follow its necessary path, coupled, with its contingent interactions. — schopenhauer1
This is absurd, of course, because even human extinction neither solves nor, for that matter, even addresses the problem of suffering (i.e. entropy).But humans can choose not to bring more life into the world. — schopenhauer1
But humans can choose not to bring more life into the world.
— schopenhauer1
This is absurd, of course, because even human extinction neither solves nor, for that matter, even addresses the problem of suffering (i.e. entropy). — 180 Proof
there is not any such "reason that existence should exist" — 180 Proof
Very little is needed to make a happy life; it is already within yourself, your way of thinking.
— Marcus Aurelius — Tom Storm
At all levels, the systems of life - from sociopolitical systems to solar systems - are repugnant and should be negated as MALIGNANTLY USELESS.
Fact is, nothing can justify our existence. Existence of any flavor is not only unjustified, it is useless, malignantly so, and has nothing to recommend it over nonexistence. A person’s addiction to existence is understandable as a telltale of the fear of nonexistence, but one’s psychology as a being that already exists does not justify existence as a condition to be perpetuated but only explains why someone would want to perpetuate it. For the same reason, even eternal bliss in a holy hereafter is unjustified, since it is just another form of existence, another instance in which the unjustifiable is perpetuated. That anyone should have a bias for heaven over nonexistence should by rights be condemned as hedonistic by the same people who scoff at Schopenhauer for complaining about the disparity between “the effort and the reward” in human life. People may believe they can choose any number of things. But they cannot choose to undo their existence, leaving them to live and die as puppets who have had an existence forced upon them whose edicts they must follow. If you are already among the existent, anything you do will be unjustified and MALIGNANTLY USELESS. — Ligotti, Conspiracy Against the Human Race
Yep. There is something. And so that is a fairly severe constraint on talk about “absolute nothingness”. We can already rule that out, leaving us just with relative nothingness as something that might possibly need explaining. — apokrisis
This is absurd, of course, because even human extinction neither solves nor, for that matter, even addresses the problem of suffering (i.e. entropy). — 180 Proof
Sure, you can choose oblivion I guess. But that would be a different thread - the absurdity of non-existence (as a “choice”, when all you have to do is wait - entropy may take its sweet time, but it will track you down eventually!) — apokrisis
Maybe the more people there are, higher the entropy. — Agent Smith
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