The "battle" will continue my friend! :wink: — Haglund
We should be able to 'dig' each other within the 'guidelines of debate.'
I think we do that quite well — universeness
Perhaps jgill would comment on the maths argument used above. — universeness
(Wiki)The expansion of the universe is the increase in distance between any two given gravitationally unbound parts of the observable universe with time.[1] It is an intrinsic expansion whereby the scale of space itself changes. The universe does not expand "into" anything and does not require space to exist "outside" it. This expansion involves neither space nor objects in space "moving" in a traditional sense, but rather it is the metric (which governs the size and geometry of spacetime itself) that changes in scale. As the spatial part of the universe's spacetime metric increases in scale, objects become more distant from one another at ever-increasing speeds.
My view is that space does not bend and surely, not break. The immaterial does not bend or stretch, etc. — val p miranda
Maybe very fringe. Some theoretical p's in loop view think that time does not exist. — val p miranda
With God as the first existent, how can that be attacked? Maybe by asserting that man created God, not otherwise. — val p miranda
The problem of evil will surely surface. — val p miranda
The new increaded measured weight in electron volts of the W boson poses a threat to the Standard Model. So I await more information — val p miranda
IMHO little to do with the real physical world. — jgill
This expansion involves neither space nor objects in space "moving" in a traditional sense
The distance between objects changes in some sense — jgill
Some theoretical p's in loop view think that time does not exist. — val p miranda
Some theoritical physcists who are proponents of loop quantum gravity think that time does not exist; they want to reconcile relativity and mechanics, too. — val p miranda
"How does something come out of nothing?" Nothing does not exist. Either something exist or nothing exists. But nothing does not exist; therefore, something existed, the first existent which initiated the universe. In the pre-universe was the first existent; there was no time and, therefore, no before and no cause. How does something come out of nothing should be reworded as I did. From nothing comes nothing is true, but there never was nothing in the pre-universe, otherwise there would not be a universe. — val p miranda
With God as the first existent, how can that be attacked? Maybe by asserting that man created God, not otherwise. — val p miranda
I have fallen asleep whilst listening to 'Something from nothing,' by Laurence Krauss audiobook a few times. — universeness
No wonder you fell asleep reading Krauss He's a total bore and little girls lover... — Haglund
Why shouldn't something infinite be able to expand? — Haglund
Which doesn't mean infinite space cant expand. Eternal inflation posits an infinite space eternally inflating — Haglund
It can. In infinite many regions, the regions can expand — Haglund
How can space expand? I can see how it bends, but expand? — Haglund
Space simply doesn't expand, nor is there new space created. It's an apparent effect only — Haglund
You are not exactly consistent in the way you present your arguments. Your approach regarding expansion is rather 'scattergun.' — universeness
I don't hold with your opinion of Krauss and I would take care when you accuse people of heinous
tendencies on a public forum — universeness
I have also always insisted that man created gods. — universeness
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