No they start learning behavior that woks, they do not necessarily form ' a correct model of reality' in there minds — Tobias
f yellow was called blue then would it rain tomorrow? — I like sushi
It is precisely these kinds of mistakes that result in gibberish. — I like sushi
And that behavior can be conducted as well by looking at the stars and base it on the configurations of the stars. Maybe not as you like it, or as science likes it but that's up to the people themselves. — Hillary
Science can offer a plead at most to conduct live on scientific base (and technological gadgets are very convincing!) but no more than that. — Hillary
It can't tell it's the way of conduct. — Hillary
Which has brought the world on the brink of a "nuclear exchange", to put it mildly, and natural disasters. — Hillary
I can point you at non-prosperity as well. Every culture has prosperities. Im glad prof. Kirschemann ooat the VU gave stuff to read about Feyerabend! — Hillary
Keep talking to your self...this is what you do after all. You are done....is this difficult for you to understand? — Nickolasgaspar
Every culture might prosper, but apparently many like the gadgets produced based on a scientific understanding of the world. — Tobias
I will use capitalization. The points are made by the sentence itself, I just highlight the core concept in it. ITs free, available and I don't live in North Korea! ; )Don't play with capitalizations and exclamation marks to make a point. — Tobias
-I am not going to evaluate the principles used in our discussion by looking at your replies to Mr Hillary! I need to respect the points made in our discussion.Not at all, see my replies to Hillary. Of course we have empirical input, we are bodily creatures.. — Tobias
-lol whats up with the members of this platform and their poor performance in search engines?I tried to google objective verification... did not yield much.This sentence is gibberish, objectively verified. — Tobias
Yes....as you said they are learning a behavior that works in their empirical world. This means that they verified objectively a behavior that has instrumental vallue. Changing the words doesn't change how they learn and why it works.No they start learning behavior that woks, they do not necessarily form ' a correct model of reality' in there minds. — Tobias
_What does that even means? Why using monkeys on a discussion on how humans use the empirical feedback to form principles for their evaluations....! How this example qualifies as relevant ?A monkey that gets sprayed with cold water every time it touches a banana will stop touching the banana but not because it has formed an accurate picture of the world in its mind. — Tobias
-No my contribution is that I point to material one should know before trying to do Philosophy on this specific topic.And on and on it goes. Can I sumarize your contribution by the imperative "Read Kahneman"? If so it is duly noted. — Tobias
gasbag gaspar — universeness
Hillary is a lost cause. "Jumps" are programmed in his syllogisms and no GOSUBs are allowed lol.
it goes like this
-I don't know (jump)god
-Science doesn't know (jump) god
-We know everything(jump) god
-I don't understand (Jump) god
-universe exists (jump) god
ITs like trying to reason with a 5yo while being at a party with other kids.
Not possible. — Nickolasgaspar
I don't worship them or listen to them, or derive moral from them insofar human relations are involved. The only moral I take from them is that creation is performed for all beings in heaven, not only for human gods — Hillary
it goes like this
-I don't know (jump)god
-Science doesn't know (jump) god
-We know everything(jump) god
-I don't understand (Jump) god
-universe exists (jump) god — Nickolasgaspar
universe exists (jump) god — Nickolasgaspar
Do they inform you if they are going to answer your question in the podcast? — universeness
-True. The only problem is that these individuals are all over the place polluting so many discussions. Ignoring them after the initial interaction may be the best tactic.Probably best to step away and just hope there is a possibility of a discussion on some other topic.
If not then so be it. Like you said, it can help to engage like this sometimes … sometimes it does not help at all. How to judge is your choice though, obviously — I like sushi
I am not interested in whether their model of reality is necessarily correct or not. The point of interest is that their empirical interactions are what is necessary for any type of model of reality to be realized in their brains. This is the argument that you challenge. Empirical interaction gives rise to models and concepts and by verifying them objectively we decide which qualify as principles and which do not. — Nickolasgaspar
-No my contribution is that I point to material one should know before trying to do Philosophy on this specific topic. — Nickolasgaspar
You said that you don't promote magic...but you didn't attempt to explain where do you think our ideas and heuristics come from. — Nickolasgaspar
Without empirical interactions Humans don't just end up without ideas...they just die! W know that(unfortunately) from nursery facilities in Romania during communistic(lol not in theory) regimes where well feed newborns, deprived of all stimuli for long periods of times, had their brains shutdown. — Nickolasgaspar
A strawman. I do believe interaction with the world is neessary for us to form ideas. It is a necessary condition, just not a sifficient one. Perception is not indepent of an perceiver. Impressions of the world land with a person already invested with preconceptions about how the world is, which will lead him or her to interpret data in particular ways. What I ispute is objective access to the outside world. — Tobias
True. The only problem is that these individuals are all over the place polluting so many discussions. Ignoring them after the initial interaction may be the best tactic. — Nickolasgaspar
I might change my pseudonym name to gasbag gaspar, instead of quark ninja... Catchy! — Hillary
What's an RE course? — Hillary
I have long time friends who have taught religious education in Scottish Secondary schools — universeness
He may have potentials and some knowledge but his ego doesn't allow him to be honest when he is wrong...plus he likes to accuse others for things he projects on them — Nickolasgaspar
two questions — Nickolasgaspar
Do you have any real arguments sparky or ad hominem fallacies is your norm? — Nickolasgaspar
Why do you insist in projecting your relation and rituals you have with your mum on to others? — Nickolasgaspar
Stop reversing things you rebel! It's Ninja Quark not 'quark ninja.' I think 'quark ninja' was the Ferengi bar owner on Deep Space 9! — universeness
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