I was going to say the same thing -- their wives wouldn't let them. — Moses
Let's think about a relationship, which quite similar at least in some parts to slavery. Owning a pet. You can buy the animals, they are your property. If you kill it, you are not going to jail. As animals they are inferior to you and they usually cannot put up with you. They are totally dependent on you, few would even survive for long if they would be abandoned. Yet in animal world, pets of humans are having a spectacularly easy privileged life and their owners do take into account their health, but also their needs and wishes. And pet owners usually think of the pets as family members and are sad when the animal dies, just as they would be if it would be a human relative or friend. And people usually aren't cruel to animals and don't like those that are, especially to their pets.I have not. Based on your comment I guess I would not last long apparently anyway. (joke) — ithinkthereforeidontgiveaf
And finally, anyone who thinks men can enslave women should start this enslavement from their own mothers. I think the vast majority of men don't have any intension or desire of enslaving their own mothers, if they are alive. — ssu
Btw here it is Mother's Day, so greetings to all mothers! — ssu
"enslaved" by their husbands — javi2541997
Now in a group of an species with 7 billion+ members, your argument on biological importance(procreation) is just silly at best.
Bill Burr comedy routine on wage inequality has far more sound foundations than that premise....
First of all your claim alone assumes that women can only bear one child at a time. Have you ever heard about twins triplets etc etc?
What about those women who decide not to have children? Do we need to discriminate those women differently?....I mean you argument has too many holes to be philosophical...not to mention ethical. — Nickolasgaspar
The fact that women are evolutionary more important than men is a documented issue. I will not discuss that in this thread, especially with anyone who has not researched it. — ithinkthereforeidontgiveaf
Can you give an example demonstrating where woman have more rights than men? — Philosophim
Can you elaborate on in what way women have more rights (legally) in Spain? — MmeGazelle
And I have no idea why you think there hasn’t been ‘real opposition’ to women gaining equal, or ‘more’ rights. — MmeGazelle
Anyone, including women ‘deserve’ the same right to survival as anyone else in society. — MmeGazelle
Isn't this an arbitrary statement? It is not backed up with reasoning or any evidence. Normally, one would think that none of the two is more necessary than the other, since both are needed to reproduce a new life.Women are more necessary in biological terms than men. — ithinkthereforeidontgiveaf
since both are needed to reproduce a new life. — Alkis Piskas
Haha.
If we move to the field of personal opinions... women have always seemed to me the most frivolous beings that have been born on earth. — ithinkthereforeidontgiveaf
Anyone, including women ‘deserve’ the same right to survival as anyone else in society.
— MmeGazelle
Can you elaborate it a little more?
There is a web page that mentions many of the legal differences in Spain (that favor women), which is the country where I currently live in.
I don't know if any of you speak Spanish, but I translated some of them using Google Translate and it is understandable.
https://diferenciaslegaleshombremujerenespana.law.blog/
And I have no idea why you think there hasn’t been ‘real opposition’ to women gaining equal, or ‘more’ rights.
— MmeGazelle
I think there has not been real opposition because it has not been obliterated yet.
Perhaps women enjoy more power and freedoms — MmeGazelle
We are much closer to equality now — MmeGazelle
Not name calling but your arguments remind me of those of the ‘incel’ movement. — MmeGazelle
Perhaps women enjoy more power and freedoms — MmeGazelle
We are much closer to equality now — MmeGazelle
Not name calling but your arguments remind me of those of the ‘incel’ movement. — MmeGazelle
your arguments remind me of those of the ‘incel’ movement. — MmeGazelle
Perhaps women enjoy more power and freedoms
— MmeGazelle
We are much closer to equality now
— MmeGazelle
Perhaps women enjoy more power and freedoms, then we are much closer to equality... I get it.
your arguments remind me of those of the ‘incel’ movement.
— MmeGazelle
By the way, I participate in free thought, not in movements that bring me nothing.
Something that seems to be missing from you. Not name calling. :)
If we move to the field of personal opinions... women have always seemed to me the most frivolous beings that have been born on earth. — ithinkthereforeidontgiveaf
Edit: I have looked it up. What I understood, is that "Incel" is the derogatory way of calling those who doesn't agree with feminism. — ithinkthereforeidontgiveaf
it is even in favour of women (imo, not) — MmeGazelle
I wonder how free your thought can be if this is your underlying position — MmeGazelle
it is even in favour of women (imo, not)
— MmeGazelle
The thing is, I just gave you a whole list of differences that favor women
https://diferenciaslegaleshombremujerenespana.law.blog/
— ithinkthereforeidontgiveaf
And, in your opinion, it is still not in favor of women. — ithinkthereforeidontgiveaf
It seems to me that you are not seeking truth, you are looking to justify the discourse of your ideology. — ithinkthereforeidontgiveaf
By the way, I think your analogy of the pendulum is reasonable. But if you are looking for it to stay still (be even, be fair) you should not try to compensate the momentum it had in the opposite direction, because gravity will take it back again, you just have to derogate the position it is in. If feminism means equity, then modern feminism is anti-feminist. — ithinkthereforeidontgiveaf
I wonder how free your thought can be if this is your underlying position
— MmeGazelle
It's not my underlying position, why do you call it "Underlying position"?
That is something that I personally believe. Would you want to discuss it? — ithinkthereforeidontgiveaf
Thank you. Can you elaborate on what you mean by "the momentum it had in the opposite direction" and I don't understand the word "derogate" in this context. — MmeGazelle
Are 'underlying position' and 'belief' not synonymous? — MmeGazelle
If you have a negative opinion of women won't you seek evidence to support this belief? — MmeGazelle
The fact that women are evolutionary more important than men is a documented issue. I will not discuss that in this thread, especially with anyone who has not researched it. — ithinkthereforeidontgiveaf
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