Yes. At one point — Streetlight
We're not seeking security against the US because there's no risk of them murdering, raping, and killing our children. — Christoffer
So Olivier5's simplistic argument that because Russia has killed people in Busha it is a threat to Finland is nonsensical. — Isaac
Yeah because you benefit from them doing so elsewhere. — Streetlight
The only reason to prefer a US alliance over a Russian alliance is because the US is our thug. — Benkei
By a few, over the course of 20 years. — Christoffer
Russia is systematically brutal over the course of as little as three months, coming close to numbers for a 20-year conflict. — Christoffer
And what does any of that have to do with Finland and Sweden seeking security against Russian brutality? There's no counterargument there, it's just whataboutism to brush Russia's acts under the rug. We're not seeking security against the US because there's no risk of them murdering, raping, and killing our children. — Christoffer
You asked a question and I answered it. Now you seem very upset to have had it pointed out that your preferred murderers and rapists are nice enough to leave you alone. — Streetlight
Nato alliance is an alliance of 30 nations, 32 with Finland and Sweden. It's you people who conclude it to be led by the US only, because that fits your narrative better. And you can also just say that we prefer that alliance because Russia are brutal and unpredictable. That we seek such alliances because Russia is an actual threat, compared to the US. Who the fuck wants to be friends with Russia? — Christoffer
Scale that up to 20 years. Scale that up to multiple nations invaded by Russia. That's what we seek security against. — Christoffer
Around 4,000 Iraqi civilians were killed in the first few days of the US invasion, so if we're doing a like-for-like, they beat Russia hands down. — Isaac
And breach of air space is something that has been going on for decades. The US does it too. Both countries test response times of fighter jets and radar range. — Benkei
You underestimate to what extent the US sets NATO's agenda. — Benkei
And of course it's a great argument for security to think: Russia invaded because of concerns of NATO expansion. In respose, we should expand NATO more. — Streetlight
You don't give a fuck because you don't want to accept the choice you're making is between two evils. — Benkei
It is and you'd be better off not joining NATO and lobby for an independent EU military alliance in which all EU members and their citizens would have a democratic say. — Benkei
Or, you can just respect Finland and Sweden's will to seek security against Russia. — Christoffer
Wow, and I'm being called simplistic and black and white. Seriously. — Christoffer
Shit, you really do know nothing about our situation. And you really do not understand how slow the EU is. You really do not understand why the act to seek security needs to happen now and not in a few months or years. — Christoffer
Or I could like, not. There is every reason to disrespect a bunch of morons — Streetlight
From the "mind your manners" to swearing and ad hominems. Well done. — Benkei
I obviously know more than you do which is why you get aggressive without offering any type of argument. — Benkei
Oh go have a sop about it cry baby.
You're the advocating the acceleration of Russian antagonism while wearing the hat of 'security'. — Streetlight
Joining a club of war criminals whose actions percipitated a deadly war seems like a bad waybto defend yourself. — Streetlight
Last I checked the Russians were bogged down fighting a fifth-rate power, with GPSs duct taped to the dashboard of their planes, — Streetlight
we're talking about the extent to which they kill civilians in wars, not what colour their flag is, — Isaac
No. We are talking about Finland's and Sweden's reasons for trying to join NATO. And I was pointing at the war in Ukraine as proof that Russia can't be trusted to be a good neighbour, thus that Finland and Sweden had good reasons to join NATO. Then you wrote something irrelevant about the US. — Olivier5
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