"And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the Music."The disappointed man speaks.— I sought great human beings, I never found anything but the apes of their ideal. — Twilight of the Idols
Was Diogenes mad as well as wise? — Hillary
This is fair and accurate."Diogenes syndrome is a disorder characterized by self-neglect, domestic squalor, apathy, compulsive hoarding of garbage and more importantly lack of shame. The syndrome does not refer to the intelligence or the philosophies of Diogenes but rather refers to the way Diogenes lived." — Hillary
From Wikipedia:
"The Kali Yuga, in Hinduism, is the fourth and worst of the four yugas (world ages) in a Yuga Cycle, preceded by Dvapara Yuga and followed by the next cycle's Krita (Satya) Yuga. It is believed to be the present age, which is full of conflict and sin."
Hinduism! The biggest of the polytheistic movements. More fairy story BS to me! — universeness
"World Population by Religion
About 85% of the world's people identify with a religion."
Which means: woowoo accepted! — Hillary
Public bath facilities were one of the best contributions of the ancients to the world. — L'éléphant
"World Population by Religion
About 85% of the world's people identify with a religion."
Which means: woowoo accepted — Hillary
Yeah, I know but it makes sense at some level, oui? Stage-wise evolution (aka life cycle in biology), aligned to the Chinese concept of yin-yang (rise & fall, crest &trough, peak & valley, to and fro, zenith & nadir). Last I checked, there's a plethora of books on the rise & fall of empires — Agent Smith
And still, how close the Kali Yuga is to the truth... Closer than any science and it's "objective" division of time in billions of lightyears, the emergence of Earth in a primordial solar system, the assigning of periods in evolution, and the mere blink of an eye existence of people on the cosmic scale. — Hillary
I'll use everything against you! "Sustained!".
"Then Woowoo should be allowed to base life on your honor!" — Hillary
...And stay skeptical. — Carneades.org
How do you account for my 'happy, fulfilled' godless life?
Do you not believe that I am a happy, contented person for the vast majority of moments in time as they pass? — universeness
How can I account for your life? It's quite simple. We live in two different worlds. Who says there is only one? My world is one with gods, yours one without. Now who is right? Both! — Hillary
That way, we can continue pretending that our particular brand of ‘civilised humanity’ is the only way to be, and that the world and people are ordered and predictable.
— Possibility
But our particular brand of what is considered 'civilised behaviour,' changes from village to village all the way to nation to nation. We don't have the same guidelines of civility as the ancient Sumerians or the more recent Victorians. I am not ready to advocate for men and women to masturbate, if they choose to, in public, on the buses and trains, on their way to the office, are you? — universeness
I'm not impressed at all by such predictive systems. — universeness
I agree with what you’re saying, but I think you’re missing the point. Diogenes wasn’t advocating the behaviour itself, I think he was aiming to increase awareness, to challenge the ignorant and exclusive nature of a ‘civil’ life. This was performance art in an era of low literacy - a living, breathing critique of social behaviour which made it into written folklore. It was an opportunity for philosophical self-reflection, not to advocate a change in the law to enable people to masturbate in public, but to confront the public ‘self’ with the private ‘self’. — Possibility
...And stay skeptical.
— Carneades.org
If it's not a sinusoidal function what is it then? — Agent Smith
How can I account for your life? It's quite simple. We live in two different worlds. Who says there is only one? My world is one with gods, yours one without. Now who is right? Both! — Hillary
I agree with what you’re saying, but I think you’re missing the point. Diogenes wasn’t advocating the behaviour itself, I think he was aiming to increase awareness, to challenge the ignorant and exclusive nature of a ‘civil’ life. This was performance art in an era of low literacy - a living, breathing critique of social behaviour which made it into written folklore. It was an opportunity for philosophical self-reflection, not to advocate a change in the law to enable people to masturbate in public, but to confront the public ‘self’ with the private ‘self’. — Possibility
Nor am I about your predictions of a future with transpeople, people who live 300 years, or people who space away to other planets. It's an impressive picture you paint, but a lot of woowoo is involved, and it draws attention away from matters that really matter — Hillary
That's not the question. — universeness
How can the godless be in the mainstream, happy and live fulfilled productive meaningful lives? — universeness
How can any member of the godless groups make the world a little bit of a better place due to their existence and their efforts and actions whilst utterly rejecting them — universeness
These gods are utterly powerless. — universeness
Atheists prove every day that you don't need them AT ALL to live a good life. — universeness
If Diogenes masturbated in public in front of strangers then it's correct that he be arrested and charged with some public affray infringement, regardless of any claims he might make about art — universeness
Well, we probably agree in the main then. I don't wish to ban the maverick artist or to prevent individuals who wish to point out the hypocrisy of what some people act like and claim they believe in and practice in public and what they actually act like, do believe in, and do practice in private, but Its how you go about such protestations that matter within a particular village, city or nation.
A politician who watches porn in the house of commons should not keep his job as an MP by claiming that he was merely making a statement of art or that he was making a point about those people who watch porn privately but don't admit to doing so publically.
If Diogenes masturbated in public in front of strangers then it's correct that he be arrested and charged with some public affray infringement, regardless of any claims he might make about art statements or stands against societal hypocrisies. If he is found to be mentally compromised then he should not be charged with anything but should receive the mental health assistance he needs.
Such situations must be measured against the realpolitik of the time and place they happen. — universeness
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