More a revolution and an overthrowing of the establishment than a cataclysmic end of the world: — Bitter Crank
There is very much a consensus that he must be seen in the light of his place and time... — schopenhauer1
There is very much a consensus that he must be seen in the light of his place and time...
— schopenhauer1
Isn't that historicism, or historical reductionism? — Wayfarer
Unless we think Jesus had a trans-historical mind, transcended time and place.,. — Bitter Crank
So - when Jesus says 'he that drinks of the water of which I speak will thirst no more', what this is a reference to, is this scam whereby one of the sects has taken control over a network of wells in the Galilean region. This means a lot of people have to make do with inferior-quality bore water, which is quite high in salts and therefore deleterious to their health and besides is not thirst-quenching, being so salty. So Jesus has worked out a plan with his band of 12 intrepid followers to overthrow the stranglehold this sect has established on the wells, ensuring that 'those who follow him' will have access to the non-salty water and, accordingly, 'thirst no more'.
Credible? Y/N? — Wayfarer
Jesus' teaching is not what most impressed contemporaries (though it impressed them somewhat. in some occasions -- not so much in other occasions). Jesus' personality is what mattered. — Mariner
prefer to leave it undefined because it's a term used ad hoc by preachers and pastors at large (it changes with their usage). — VagabondSpectre
The priest blesses the blood and the body, and interprets it's meaning for you. — VagabondSpectre
I'm not too familiar with Pentecostal trends, but non-denominational born-again Christians basically incorporate this idea into all of their religious practices. For them God is a relationship, not a religion. They "speak in tongues" and believe that they're communicating directly with god.
The chasm between a Catholic notion of "relationship with god" and the non-denominational notion is massive. — VagabondSpectre
If we see God working in history, through actual people, places, events... then don't we have to make an attempt at a historical understanding of what God is about? — Bitter Crank
If we see God working in history, through actual people, places, events... then don't we have to make an attempt at a historical understanding of what God is about? — Bitter Crank
How in the world would we know what sort of working God is doing, though? Just because people put to writing claims about God doing this or inspiring that doesn't mean that's what God is actually doing any such thing. — Marchesk
If you don't believe in God, then God talk isn't very convincing. — Bitter Crank
For me the core of Jesus' teachings will always be that suffering, pain, and damnation await those who do not kowtow to God.
God created Jesus (himself) and then forsook (betrayed IMO) Jesus when he had him crucified in order to make the world right again. (I like to joke that God uses blood magic to do his mysterious works and so dispenses with human life whenever). God is Gargamel and we're the smurfs — VagabondSpectre
So - when Jesus says 'he that drinks of the water of which I speak will thirst no more', what this is a reference to, is this scam whereby one of the sects has taken control over a network of wells in the Galilean region. This means a lot of people have to make do with inferior-quality bore water, which is quite high in salts and therefore deleterious to their health and besides is not thirst-quenching, being so salty. So Jesus has worked out a plan with his band of 12 intrepid followers to overthrow the stranglehold this sect has established on the wells, ensuring that 'those who follow him' will have access to the non-salty water and, accordingly, 'thirst no more'.
Credible? Y/N? — Wayfarer
So should Jesus' sayings have no historical analysis whatsoever? The sayings cannot be compared to other sayings, influences, and otherwise use of parallel writings? — schopenhauer1
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