And the answer is...? — javi2541997
God is a being which has every perfection. (This is true as a matter of definition.) Existence is a perfection. Hence God exists.
What I defend is that thanks to knowledge we can prove, at least, our existence — javi2541997
The universe is there...
— Hillary
You also said:
you would know it gives no explanation why the universe is there.
— Hillary — javi2541997
Why does the universe and all life in exist in the first place? What is the reason? — Hillary
The surprising fact here is that you are questioning both universe and human existence but you are blind towards God's one. That's the clue of our debate — javi2541997
So, the universe is there and physics gives no explanation for it's existence. What's contradictory about that? — Hillary
Bollocks. It is not inherent in the definition of the greatest man to exist. It is on the definition of god. the reason being that the greatest man need not be perfect so does not need to embody existence, whereas God due to his perfection does need to exist. See the refutation to Gaunilo's objection. — Tobias
Another wacky "ontological" argument to defend God's existence.
Why God has to be the "greatest" thing? — javi2541997
It is so contradictory from a realism argument. Physical objects and elements do exist. Simple. If the universe is there and it makes some effects, then it does exist. — javi2541997
But it doesn't explain how the stuff got there in the first place. — Hillary
No? Are you aware of those theories of astrophysics which describes the beginning of out universe? What about Stephen Hawking's theories? — javi2541997
Question remains, where does that come from? — Hillary
And our view may be corroborated by actual observation more effectively than by any sort of verbal argument. — javi2541997
And this is to be proven, better than any demonstration through words [λόγοι], from the observable [ἐνάργεια] itself. — javi2541997
Leaving aside the inane suggestion regarding extraterrestrials — Wayfarer
existence is a perfection mean — Wayfarer
'Tis better to have loved and lost than to have never loved at all. — Alfred Lord Tennyson
If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him. — Voltaire
If God really existed, it would be necessary to abolish Him. — Mikhail Bakunin
[God is a]...celestial dictator. — Christopher Hitchens
They fit in actual existent — Hillary
How can you measure "God"? :yikes: so you have said this morning that measuring universe is wacky but at the same time time yeah, we can measure a subterfuge — javi2541997
Actual existent: Actual existence (observed, measurable, inactive or changing) — javi2541997
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