Conclusion: The cosmos is not like a machine but like an uncreated being. Of course, this would welcome in concepts of pantheism and panentheism as God. Is the cosmos evil? “In part; in part not,” seems to be the most appropriate answer. — javra
Leibniz was to the first of think of the entire universe as a computer. Feeding off itself. — Jackson
nteresting: ca — javra
Interesting: can a computer that feeds off itself - reminiscent to me of the Ouroboros symbol's significance - not be conceived of as organic? And, if organic, to what extent can it be conceived of as a computer?
... trying to work through some semantics. — javra
Computer processes things. If the universe is a process then where do its inputs come from. A difference machine which has randomness in it. — Jackson
:up: aka the argument from poor design ... from which I conclude .So, the argument by design taken to its logical conclusion proves not only that a creator exists but that the creator is evil, malevolent, willing to see babies suffer from cancer and die. — Art48
So, the argument by design taken to its logical conclusion proves not only that a creator exists but that the creator is evil, malevolent, willing to see babies suffer from cancer and die. — Art48
Also, imagine thinking up and building a world where all the living creatures hunt and kill other living creatures to live. Why build suffering and torment into all lifeforms when you could do it any way you wanted. — Tom Storm
If God is powerful and could prevent suffering then he is cruel.
If God is not powerful and cannot prevent suffering then he is impotent. — Jackson
I think you are misrepresenting the design argument. The design argument simply states that the universe seems to be governed by simple consistent laws and rules, with the idea often saying "God" is the universal "law giver" or in some cases "law upholder." For instance, consider how the effective mathematics is at predicting the natural world. For many, there is an elegance to this that doesn't seem random or uncreated/undesigned at all.If we stayed on the logic train, the next observation is that not only the universe in total, but also things in the universe—like heart disease, Covid, hurricanes and tornado that kill, malaria, earthquakes, babies dying of cancer, etc., etc., etc.—must also have been designed.
The OP clearly states what I mean by the design argument.
The argument by design briefly is that the universe is like a machine; machines have intelligent designers; like effects have like causes; therefore, the universe as a whole has an intelligent designer, which is God.
No one owns a copyright on "design argument" so if you decide that phrase means something else, fine. — Art48
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