You have gone to your usual position of mangling several distinct issues together. — Banno
This isn't to say that such a personal perspective overrules others. But the reverse is also not true. There is a relationship to the cosmos established when one can actually do stuff that is not there when one cannot. — Paine
You're committing another self-imposition: You take for granted that you're certain that there is no way out. (And that the materialistic outlook is the one and only right one).
Arguably, this is the core of your problem (and not the comply or die, or the futility of pursuing sensual pleasures). — baker
But why should we get things done for others. For a possessing class? Who have their alibi to tyranny by feeding us with artificial corporate food, housing us in sick building, providing us with occasional entertainment, a chance in the lottery to go to the island, a health insurance corporation to provide us with torture as the cure for our artificially induced sickness and misery, while constantly being bombarded with fake smiles and ideality. — Hillary
So, free yourself and make life happen yourself! — Hillary
The product provides the fetish or ideal objective for the consumer to want and that is the end - the sublimated objective - not the actual satisfaction of that desire. Desire projects the wanting person into an imagined future state of happiness that is dashed by the actual arrival of the product that leads inevitably to either disappointment or disinterest. Desire is the essence of all distraction. — ASmallTalentForWar
Labor feels punitive if not freely chosen as what is pursued. The response of an individual obviously cannot remove the quality of suffering but there can be a conversation. — Paine
The idea of living in a world where nothing is required from me sounds like being a zombie. — Paine
But while you pinpoint an extreme -- no one should be compelled to produce -- the lack of further discussion as to what could happen in the future is missing. — L'éléphant
So with my Pessimist philosophy, I have distilled the idea that Comply or Die is a feature of the human condition. Basically, this means that we either comply with the conditions we are situated in (socioeconomic in particular) or we will die a slow death due to not playing the game correctly or simply outright suicide (outright rejection of the game). — schopenhauer1
No, questioning it is not problematic, or even putting it that way is not problematic. I mistakenly believed that this thread is about an alternative reality where people are not compelled to produce.Is there something about being in a position that one must do X for their survival that is callous or problematic? — schopenhauer1
It's tricky because people think they have best intentions but what of the morality of arrogance to give people a game that is played in real time, lest death to begin with? — schopenhauer1
A lot of human conditions are set and no alternatives exist for those who want a different condition. — L'éléphant
The game quality is a form of suffering. That Job can confirm for himself that he is not at fault is outside of the game is important. That doesn't answer your question about justification but is an attempt to talk about the problem. — Paine
You're committing another self-imposition: You take for granted that you're certain that there is no way out. (And that the materialistic outlook is the one and only right one).
Arguably, this is the core of your problem (and not the comply or die, or the futility of pursuing sensual pleasures).
— baker
If you're talking about some sort of asceticism, that is at the extremes that are pretty inaccessible for most people. It's a romanticized version of how humans can live. — schopenhauer1
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