The bootstrap was advocated by Fritjof Capra, in the Tao of physics. There was critique on his book because he didn't take the November revolution into account, which showed bootstrap "wrong". But he wasn't wrong. It's a great idea and has been send to oblivion unrightfully. But recently, it got new attention.

It wasn't the S-matrix per se that led to string theory though (though of course in the context). It was the strong interaction, where the force was depicted by elastic strings.

Conformal Bootstrap in the Regge Limit

From 2017. Interesting stuff!

"The bootstrap philosophy abandons not only the idea of fundamental constituents of matter but accepts no fundamental entities whatsoever — no fundamental laws or equations, and not even a fundamental structure of space and time. The universe is seen as a dynamic web of interrelated events. None of the properties of any part of this web are fundamental; they all follow from the properties of the other parts, and the overall consistency of their mutual interrelations determines the structure of the entire web"

I can see why Capra was a fan. Bears eastern philosophy. I think Rovelli likes it. Of course, this doesn't mean elementary particles and space don't exist.

My idol, David Bohm would have liked it. Just read his holographic universe. The universal S-matrix...

None of the properties of any part of this web is fundamental — universeness

Most interesting! — Ms. Marple

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That's how my brain understands Chew!

As a matter of fact, that's exactly what's it about!

As a matter of fact, that's exactly what's it about! — Hillary

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Chew! — Agent Smith

Haha! Poor Geoffrey.... He could have known he had it coming though.

"I Chew my boots mam. I feel trapped!"

I think Rovelli likes it. — Hillary

I think he probably does as I think he sees time as not really having fundamental quanta.
Many including I think Brian Cox consider gravity to be a result of interaction and not made of a fundamental quantum, such as the graviton.
Maybe a quantum theory of gravity will prove to be unrequired after all in the correct ToE.

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Little E's can make big E's but what are the little E's made of. A fundamental E?
E's are also illegal in all night clubs in Glasgow!

My idol, David Bohm — Hillary

Clever man who sadly, was often very ill and depressed. As I have stated before, I will never understand why he associated with a mystic like Jiddu Krishnamurti.
It's like Einstein taking advice from a woo woo guru!

I think he probably does as I think he sees time as not really having fundamental quanta — universeness

As he is into loop gravity, he aims for quantized time.

Many including I think Brian Cox consider gravity to be a result of interaction and not made of a fundamental quantum, such as the graviton. — universeness

Yeah, that's the emergent gravity theory. Erik Verlinde (a weird Dutch guy not responding to any email at all...) has such a "revolutionary" view on gravity (which even got him the Spinoza prize: 2000 000 euro, no kidding! Dear mother of god, for obvious nonsense woowoo!). The theory has it the wrong way round. Its, among other things, based on the ADS/CFT correspondence and entanglement, but it's got things the wrong way round. Dark matter and dark energy are pushed in the wrong closet or better, two equal poles are pushed together.

Gravity is just as well as the 3 basic interactions, is a means for all forms of energy to interact by coupling to virtual gravitons. The problem with gravitons is that they have to curve spacetime as well. A condensate of gravitons around or in between masses is what the masses couple to, but, contrary to the other gauge particles, the gravitons work on the metric of space (and thus time, if the speed of light is finite, too).

Clever man who sadly, was often very ill and depressed. As I have stated before, I will never understand why he associated with a mystic like Jiddu Krishnamurti. — universeness

What on Earth has that got to do with his physics?

I will never understand why he associated with a mystic like Jiddu Krishnamurti. — universeness

Because your natural desire for the mystic is suppressed by the ruling powers.

As he is into loop gravity, he aims for quantized time. — Hillary

I think his up-and-coming paper will suggest equations for loop quantum gravity that do not include a time variable. At least, that's my understanding from his most recent interviews on YouTube.

It's like Einstein taking advice from a woo woo guru!
12mOptions — universeness

My dear mother god... Why shouldn't he. Like you think, science will never progress. Pointing at the fact of not being peer-reviewed or published, and being afraid to be banned on Quora when the dogma is challenged...

What on Earth has that got to do with his physics? — Hillary

All that you are influences all that you do!

Because your natural desire for the mystic is suppressed by the ruling powers — Hillary

No, I am just not easily duped. I am not immune but I am not lost to woo woo, like someone who is a....oh I dunno?....a polytheist!

All that you are influences all that you do! — universeness

Exactly! That's why you don't understand the gods or mystics. You're brainwashed by science.

No, I am just not easily duped. — universeness

Neither am I. Especially not by science.

Why shouldn't he. Like you think, science will never progress. Pointing at the fact of not being peer-reviewed or published, and being afraid to be banned on Quora when the dogma is challenged... — Hillary

He could have but I think he chose not to waste his time. He was published and peer-reviewed.
I don't think Einstein was ever concerned about being banned from physics media, even though his ideas were very new and quite revolutionary. They were nonetheless very plausible. I think that's what makes the difference to the established science community.
They want to focus on the most plausible ideas which is probably why the mobius strip/klein bottle guy can't get a contract with a group like Patreon to do monthly MobiusklineScape podcasts on Youtube.

Exactly! That's why you don't understand the gods or mystics. You're brainwashed by science — Hillary

Neither am I. Especially not by science — Hillary

Well, I am not suggesting you are Egyptian or anything but you are certainly in DEniAl.

All that you are influences all that you do! — universeness

So there is a Jewish science? My dear mother of gods. And dont say I put words in your mouth because that's exactly the same. Capra and Chew are the same mystics. Elementary particles don't exist? Irrational woowoo nonsense. Only interactions count? Woowoo!

Neither am I. Especially not by science
— Hillary

Well, I am not suggesting you are Egyptian or anything but you are certainly in DEniAl — universeness

I don't deny anything. You deny the woowoo. Not me. I like woowoo science as well as gods.

So there is a Jewish science? — Hillary

The nation and culture you are nurtured in, will affect your approach to science in many nuanced ways. Some nuances will be strengths and others weaknesses.

Capra and Chew are the same mystics. — Hillary

Possibly true, I didn't know them personally, did you? Personally, I wouldn't label Chew a mystic, maybe Chew founded the bootstrap philosophy to try to bridge some gaps as well as view the issues of the time and the hot questions in physics at the time from 'new' angles. I don't know, hence the thread to invite the opinions of others.

Possibly true, I didn't know them personally, did you? — universeness

I know what they wrote. Mystics!

I know what they wrote. Mystics — Hillary

You are quite mystical yourself!

That can't be denied. But my physics is rather straight to Earth. What's mystical is the content of matter and the eternity of the gods who created this divine matter.

I have very little interest in mysticism!

I have very little interest in mysticism! — universeness

I can't help you with that problem, brother Uni! I'll pray forya!

I've hit the limits of what I know and my analytical ability. I kinda feel stupid right now. :snicker:

Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent. — Ludwig Wittgenstein

:zip: You shut me up!

Haha! Poor Geoffrey.... He could have known he had it coming though.

"I Chew my boots mam. I feel trapped!" — Hillary

:snicker: I don't get it but since you're so smart, I know it's funny! :grin:

mysticism! — universeness

A desperado's escape hatch! Something must give, si?