why do you think Algeria was in such a shitty position to begin with? Well, because it had been plundered and turned to shit by the countrymen of a certain poster here. Everything follows from that. — Streetlight
A couple of the posters here have admitted they aren't interested in being truthful. — frank
Most of the world don't want to live under America's boot, either. — Apollodorus
Then why are so many try to emigrate there, or in Europe? — Olivier5
Because America itself is the place least under America's boot, obviously.
Fuck up everywhere else on the planet, then when those populations come fleeing to the one place you haven't completely fucked you say "why would they all come here if we're so bad?" — Isaac
Shall I quote them for you? — Isaac
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I am telling the truth. Street has condoned terrorism against French people. It's up there, unless the mods deleted it.
That's how much the guy cares for human life, at least his web persona. — Olivier5
Because America — Isaac
Sums up this discussion. — SophistiCat
I think this idea is central to the way this topic is being discussed. Western powers have so much blood on their hands from colonialism onward that they are permanently stained by it. If they were now some third world states with an unfortunate past, we might live and let live - mistakes were made but everybody who made them is dead now. But they're not. They're the wealthiest, most powerful nations on earth - an earth containing 800 million starving people. It's not complicated morality to say that if you've benefited from the impoverishment of other countries you owe them a debt until the field is levelled again.
The unwillingness to look into the historical causes of any situation, like Ukraine, was, of course, always solely to do with this unwillingness to confront the extent to which the wealth and power of today were built on the flagrant abuse of the past. What's particularly insidious this time is the effort to literally wipe that history from the debate. I think the combination of an easy cartoon villain, an oven-ready non-American hero, and the new language of dis- and mis- information have presented an opportunity to create a dangerous new narrative which says "all that's in the past now, the reality is a new fight of good vs evil and you must pick a side" where 'picking a side' involves absolving the 'goodies' of all their past wrongs (and letting them keep all the wealth and power they thereby gained in the process).
It's insidious because the framing of good vs evil attaches atonement for the past crimes of imperialism (even up to crimes of last week, yesterday, just now...) to one of only two mutually exclusive positions, the other of which is 'evil'. We can see that framing all over the rhetoric used here.
Yet the only reasonable answer to the complaint that "Oh it's always about the US, the west, capitalism..." is "Yes". It is always about the US, the West and capitalism. — Isaac
the low-quality posting and ad hominems you yourself whine about now. — Christoffer
I don't find it productive to discuss with people like you and since mods don't care about quality in here, I'll just counter low quality with the same quality. — Christoffer
... and then complain about the low level you drag others down to. — Christoffer
As for the above conversation, I don't support terrorism, but I sure as day support counter-terrorism. — Streetlight
I don't give a fuck about human life. — Merkwurdichliebe
What! Governments exaggerating a threat so that powerful industries can benefit. Sounds like some kind of crazy conspiracy theory to me.
Best just trust what the official experts have to say on the matter...
https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/russia-ukraine-news-latest-today-nato-us-reject-putin-claims-withdrawl/
...so that's settled then. The experts say Russia is preparing for war and I'm sure the billions that the pharmaceuticalarms industry will make is just a coincidence.
Of course, you might find some experts disagreeing, but with none of you being military strategists, you wouldn't want to be 'doing your own research', would you?
Besides, have you not read the news? Those nasty truckers are funded by the Russians, best be on the safe side, lest they fund any more peaceful protestsdomestic terrorists. — Isaac
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