Aye, Russian Government and the Republicans are all a bunch of cunts aren't they.
So how long until the clock strikes 13? — JJJJS
Aye, Russian Government and the Republicans are all a bunch of cunts aren't they. — JJJJS
Crude, sweeping generalizations like this certainly won't endear anything you say to me and likely others on the forum.
Just weeks ago, many of them hated Comey or wanted him fired, but now they've donned their tin foil hats again and think his firing has something to do with Russia. — Thorongil
Are you suggesting that it's hypocritical to be critical of Trump firing Comey after wanting him to be fired? — Michael
Because that's not true; the criticism is direct at the suggested motive, not the act itself. — Michael
Right, but they've had to create this motive for their own politicking, so they aren't just making an innocent logical distinction as you are here. — Thorongil
It's too early to say whether or not the suggested motive is a fabrication or genuine, and we're not mind-readers. — Michael
There are supposedly sources within the White House who have said that Trump has been seeking for excuses to fire Comey. Unfortunately I don't have any way of knowing if these sources exist and are telling the truth – and neither are you, which is why "sweeping generalizations like this certainly won't endear anything you say". — Michael
Correct, but it's still a creation on their part until then. — Thorongil
related to the, in my mind, conspiratorial and factually bankrupt narrative that Russia "influenced" the election (in the genuine sense of tampering with actual votes cast). — Thorongil
the motive the Democrats are implicitly, if not explicitly, peddling is that this motive is related to the, in my mind, conspiratorial and factually bankrupt narrative that Russia "influenced" the election (in the genuine sense of tampering with actual votes cast). — Thorongil
The Russians would have realized early on that tampering with actual votes will lead to little effect. I think their goal of subversion of the masses through many channels of the media through leaking e-mails and such seemingly incriminating evidence is what would have been done. — Question
I don't think anyone (except the occasional conspiracy theorist) is suggesting that the Russians tampered with the actual ballots. It's that the Russians and Trump's campaign worked together to undermine Clinton and promote Trump through fake media and the hacking and leak of private information. I believe there's also the suggestion that some of the campaign members received payments from the Russians in exchange for having their interests considered in government policy (e.g. with Manafort).
And, of course, there's the claim that the Russians have compromising material on Trump and the Republicans and that they're effectively being held to ransom. — Michael
I don't imply any deep conspiracy here. I myself am more inclined to believe that Trump was just his usual impulsive, irritable, vindictive, bloody-minded, incompetent self. That he was irked by Comey's pushing the Russia investigation (which is, after all, aimed primarily at his people and possibly himself) seems rather too obvious. — SophistiCat
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