Is that all you have to offer? — Banno
you are still here. — Banno
Death instinct — Agent Smith
... The organic compulsion to repetition... The hypothesis that all instincts have as their aim the reinstatement of an earlier condition. — Freud - Beyond the Pleasure Principle, p. (toward the end)
The only way I can access these files on another person's consciousness is to literally be them; impossible, as of now, and ergo, the hard problem of consciousness — Agent Smith
Then, every human being has a unique consciousness and the problem of a bat is just the problem of every single life form having unique consciousness — Jackson
Based on your pupil dilation, skin temperature, and motor functions, I calculate an 83% probability that you will not pull the trigger. — Terminator T-800
↪Wayfarer No, my friend, for the reason that "subjective experiences" are not objective; to require that subjectivity be described objectively is a category mistake, which is why (most contemporary philosophers (of mind) and almost all cognitive neuroscientists consider) Chalmer's "Hard Problem" a pseudo-problem. — 180 Proof
I'm referring to other people's (,e.g. Chalmer's, Nagel's, McGinn's) dualism. Banno is spot on; the subjective-objective distinction and the subsequent "problem" of describing one in terms of – reduced to – the other is incoherent (i.e. category mistake). — 180 Proof
f all "category mistake" ultimately means is that they're just very different things and you can't use the same descriptions for both of them, you've offered no explanation; you've just reiterated without explanation that the two are just two very different things.
How are they different? — Hanover
Not until six pages in does Nagel even define what "like" means. Footnote 6, "Therefore the analogical form of the English expression "what it is like" is misleading. It does not mean "what (in our experience) it resembles," but rather "how it is for the subject himself."
This always troubled me. It seems his whole idea of "like" is vague or inchoherent. — Jackson
It's not supposed to imply any comparison.
— bert1
Says Nagel. But what else does the word "like" mean? — Jackson
Sure. Now answer the question - what is skydiving like? What would that answer look like?
What more would one expect or eccept in answer, except what it resembles.
One may not be able to say what it is like to skydive or to bat, but one might show it; in a poem, a video, or a painting; and it will not be exact nor complete, but that will not make it wrong. — Banno
If you ask how it feels to skydive the answer could be "exhilarating", "terrifying", "boring", "disappointing" and so on. No need for 'resemblance' language. — Janus
What more would one expect or eccept in answer, except what it resembles. — Banno
You are saying what it is like to skydive by naming experiences had elsewhere, and in skydiving. — Banno
...that would not tell you how either skydiving or bungee jumping felt for me in any case, because even if you bungee jumped you would know only how it felt for you, not for me. — Janus
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