I have heard the silly argument that ‘believing in science’ like believing in a deity. Absolutely not, because when people state they ‘believe in science’ (if they do so with sense) they just mean they understand the practice of science and how and when it can be reasonably applied to help understand and question the world we live in — I like sushi
To conclude, delusion isn't all that bad but can be misplaced — Varde
is it wise to assert that pure belief is not a weak kind of delusion but rather a type of menial strength? — Varde
Live as an insane person or Die as a sane person — Agent Smith
Are those really the only options you consider?
Is there no way to live as a sane person? — universeness
[...]And from making the cure of the disease more grievous than the endurance of the same, Good Lord, deliver us. — Dr. Robert Hutchison
Here's a story I read in a book on psychiatry. There was this woman, living next to an airport. She was "suffering" from delusions of grandeur (thought she was a Duchess or something like that).
She was taken to a shrink, who promptly, in good faith, treated her. She was declared cured (of her delusion). Within a fortnight or so she took her own life! — Agent Smith
My point was to simply give you a real life example of someone who was happy because they were a little mad, "out of touch with reality" as some shrinks like to say. — Agent Smith
Let's discuss belief; can you believe something that has been proven wrong?
Yes. Isn’t it so? Don’t people live their lives goaded by beliefs that have been proven wrong? How else will you explain our lives/our way of living wherein we make preparations for future security, when we clearly know our existence can be cut short at any moment? More importantly, how can we even believe in the existence of security, when human experience going back to the beginning of time has clearly proven, there is no security! How else will you explain our belief in one thing or another, be it social, political, economic, etc. that have for millennia been proven wrong? The study of oneself and our species will point to millions of such discrepancies where we believe in things that have been proven wrong. And we do it every day, unfailingly. — skyblack
A deeper inquiry into these beliefs will show that your (humanity) entire existence is founded on beliefs, irrespective of your belief in the primacy of reason, or your zealous propagation of the same. — skyblack
I think many/most individuals base their entire existence around their personal wants/needs/desires rather than what they perceive as their beliefs. Do you think personal wants/needs/desires create personal beliefs? or do you think the more compelling direction is that beliefs drive personal wants/needs/desires? Certainly, young human children are driven mainly by personal, perhaps even purely instinctual, wants/needs/desires. — universeness
Re the questions: an error of perception (2nd line), or specially; compulsive erroneous attribution, is not a valid reason for confusion. In that case an urgent need for freedom arises. Failing such an effort demonstrates insincerity and lack of seriousness. — skyblack
Furthermore there is no purely "personal" beliefs, because the human is a conditioned continuity of the collective. — skyblack
One can see Belief is a movement of human though-feeling, common to all, without exceptions — skyblack
For now we will leave "children" out of it. That's a special case.....and we are not children — skyblack
Hope, yeah, we can hope! It's a recommended course of action — Agent Smith
I don't know what point you are making here. — universeness
:rofl: Thank you for that rather arrogant permission that I don't require.However don't let that stop you from looking deeper into this either on your own or with others. GL. — skyblack
Thank you for that rather arrogant permission that I don't require. — universeness
Thank you for that rather arrogant permission that I don't require. — universeness
I don't know what point you are making here.
— universeness
Then that is a problem which will prevent any further inquiry. — skyblack
Yes, my sentiment about that person as well. — Jackson
Right. The idea was to hit the spot. Glad it did — skyblack
Children can't entrap adults — skyblack
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