For whatever that's worth around here. — creativesoul
Yes, the US does not have a stellar history of supporting duly elected leaders unless those leaders are the ones who are 'friendly' to the US and it's financial interests. — creativesoul
The US just did everything in its power to ensure this would be the case. — Streetlight
Just because the US policy has a sorted history of hidden agendas and not so honest means, it does not follow that every US decision or policy has a hidden agenda and dishonest means. — creativesoul
So, we just give them the benefit of the doubt, every time? What is it about their behaviour that makes you think they deserve the benefit of the doubt? — Isaac
Spell this out in a bit more detail... — creativesoul
Thank Cthulhu you're no longer a mod. — Noble Dust
Unless we are Russian (and even then it's hard, given the current regime in Russia) we can't do much about it. And merely saying how horrible Russia is, over and over, is convenient moralizing.
I draw exceptions with people living next to Russia, but besides that, its just much easier to condemn Russia, than what's happening in say, Yemen, which is almost entirely the fault of the US. But, people wave flags, for good and ill. — Manuel
Ukraine chose to build financial and diplomatic relations with the west, against the wishes of Russia and it's leaders. — creativesoul
All I am saying is that not all mutual benefit and agendas are nefarious. — creativesoul
If your position is that people should only discuss the goings-on in their home countries, then why did you open this discussion in the first place? — SophistiCat
Parochialism driven to excess — SophistiCat
Brilliant. You don't disappoint. So now your argument that "Russia is evil, Ukraine are good, and America are just benevolent bystanders" is the worldly and complex one! — Isaac
The real problem isn't with the Russian people, but with Russian institutions, namely the military culture. — Moses
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