All that soundwaves trigger is the delicate biology of the inner ear. After transduction it’s all you. The biology—you—does all the work. It causes your hearing; and if any aspect of the biology is messed up along the way, it doesn’t. — NOS4A2
People act upon words. We hear them, read them, learn them, write them, speak them, use them. They do not affect us more than any other sound from the mouth or any other scribble on paper because they are hardly different in physical constitution and energy. — NOS4A2
I’m sure it’s the other way about. People act upon words. We hear them, read them, learn them, write them, speak them, use them. They do not affect us more than any other sound from the mouth or any other scribble on paper because they are hardly different in physical constitution and energy.
As you said yourself, we are predisposed to act upon certain sounds and images because we’ve learned and trained ourselves to do so. — NOS4A2
This is like saying that because plastic melts in fire and tungsten doesn't then it's not the fire that causes the plastic to melt but the plastic causing itself to melt.
It is not only legally bollocks it is philosophically quite untenable too. I should not be surprised though.
But hair cells transduce vibration into impulses. — NOS4A2
All that soundwaves trigger is the delicate biology of the inner ear. After transduction it’s all you. The biology—you—does all the work. It causes your hearing; and if any aspect of the biology is messed up along the way, it doesn’t. — NOS4A2
I guess it’s a good thing I don’t respect your opinion. — NOS4A2
So? The sound waves cause the hair cells to move which cause the nerve impulses to fire.
The irony here is that your account of causation would entail that it is guns, not people, which are responsible for murder because it is the internal mechanics of the gun that cause the bullet to fire, not me pulling my finger on the trigger, and that the gun wouldn't fire if something inside it was broken.
The movement of hair cells. That’s the extent of the causal power of words. — NOS4A2
Biology isn’t a machine or built like a gun, though. — NOS4A2
Guns aren’t conscious or able to control their actions. — NOS4A2
Right, so I'm not causally responsible for breaking the window when I kick a ball into it. The extent of the causal power of my kick is the ball moving; anything that happens after that is the responsibility of the ball.
Why does that matter? It's the same principle whether the material is organic or metal.
Neither are the hair cells in my ear. I don't know what you're trying to argue here.
The ball broke the window. You kicked the ball. Sure. — NOS4A2
It was designed for someone to pull the trigger and set of the mechanisms which ultimately shoots the bullet. — NOS4A2
The cells in your ear are a part of you and I’m pretty sure you’re conscious. — NOS4A2
So? According to your account of causation as explained above, I pulled the trigger, the gun fired the bullet, and the bullet killed the target.
If I didn't cause the window to break in the previous example then I didn't cause the target to die in this example. But if I did cause the target to die in this example then I did cause the window to break in the previous example.
I don't consciously control the actions of the hair cells in my ear. Their actions are determined by the sound waves that reach them.
The cells transduce the waves to nerve impulses. The cells are a part of you. So you transduce the waves to nerve impulses. Consciously or not, you do it. — NOS4A2
It’s nothing like saying that. Do you think mechanical soundwaves convert themselves to nerve impulses? — NOS4A2
We just learned that what words mean and do is solely up to your discretion my dear readers. — Tobias
Whether it's a gun or an ear, the physics of causation is the same. — Michael
If the cells are a part of me, and if sound affects the cells, and if speech is sound, then speech affects me. — Michael
Was the point that Trump isn't responsible for Jan 6? — Tate
If the cells are a part of me, and if sound affects the cells, and if speech is sound, then speech affects me.
↪Xtrix
Censors throughout history have pretended words have the sorts of causal effects you pretend they do, and used it as justification to murder and maim. It’s no surprise you are of that ilk.
↪Tobias
If I was a lawyer I wouldn’t show my face, especially with any sort of pride. — NOS4A2
Show us on the doll where the capitalist touched you. — NOS4A2
In the stomach and the soul. — ZzzoneiroCosm
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