I still say that it's mistaken to present the Tao Te Ching as an exemplar of metaphysics, — Wayfarer
But it's defensible to hold that the Tao Te Ching has ontological, and therefore metaphysical, content. — ZzzoneiroCosm
Not, as a whole, an "exemplar," if you like. But it's defensible to hold that the Tao Te Ching has ontological, and therefore metaphysical, content. — ZzzoneiroCosm
We should start a petition to get it redefined into a more useful term. — universeness
I looked up the terms metalogic and metalogos, — universeness
For me, the Tao Te Ching is primarily, not incidentally, a metaphysical document. I — Clarky
You might expound on why, then, 'in Peirce’s opinion, “nominalism” does not take the category of thirdness to be real'. It sounds a thoroughly metaphysical argument. I think the thrust is, Pierce dismisses 'a priori' metaphysics, not metaphysics altogether. But then, that's probably a metaphysical distinction. :wink: — Wayfarer
Pragmatism, as it applies to "metaphysics" is not valid (yet!)... We do NOT know what works and what does not work. But, the Shroud of Turin (already discussed) is tangible evidence, just as the Miracle of Lanciano - as examined and verified through experimentation (over a year) by the World Health Organization. And again, the Body (St Bernadette) is still visited today (from over a hundred years ago) that the clergy called "incorruptible" has not fallen into decay. These are all physical examples that still exist today and defy scientific explanations. — Rocco Rosano
I wonder if we could find the middle ground, you know, pare down metaphysics into something more manageable? — Agent Smith
"does a metaphysical propositions's truth/falsity matter to us in any real, tangible way?" The answer was "no, it doesn't!" — Rocco Rosano
You have to begin with some kind of handle on what it means. As I've said, I feel as though I have gotten a sense of it, through an intuitive understanding of some elements of Platonism but what I think seems intuitively clear seems completely baffling to a lot of people, for reasons I can't really understand. — Wayfarer
I am not sure about your idea of seeing 'metaphysics as the understanding of language'. — Jack Cummins
Perhaps, both language and metaphysics can be juxtaposed effectively — Jack Cummins
Try 'metanoia'. That is a word with an interesting heritage, and it ain't a modern innovation. — Wayfarer
rid ourselves of the bulk of philosophy — ZzzoneiroCosm
truth/falsity — Rocco Rosano
Pragmatism (Peirce) already eliminated metaphysics, quite a long time ago I might add, by asking a simple question "does a metaphysical propositions's truth/falsity matter to us in any real, tangible way?" The answer was "no, it doesn't!"[ — Rocco Rosano
Metaphysics is the attempt to find out what absolute presuppositions have been made by this or that person or group of persons, on this or that occasion or group of occasions, in the course of this or that piece of thinking.
Prop. 5. Absolute presuppositions are not propositions.
This is because they are never answers to questions; whereas a proposition is that which is stated, and whatever is stated is stated in answer to a question. The point I am trying to make clear goes beyond what I have just been saying, viz. that the logical efficacy of an absolute presupposition is independent of its being true: it is that the distinction between truth and falsehood does not apply to absolute presuppositions at all, that distinction being peculiar to propositions...
...Hence any question involving the presupposition that an absolute presupposition is a proposition, such as the questions ‘Is it true?’ ‘What evidence is there for it?’ ‘How can it be demonstrated?’ ‘What right have we to presuppose it if it can’t?’, is a nonsense question. — Clarky
Doing my best here to ferret out a locus of concurrence. — ZzzoneiroCosm
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