And from some of the more questionable passages in Herr Nietzsche (who is great nevertheless overall.) — igjugarjuk
To all. Please don't respond to troll posts as your replies are likely to be deleted along with the posts. — Baden
Socialist prospects in the United States? Poor to DOA. — Bitter Crank
Quite clearly the aim of socialism is man. It is to create a form of production and an organization of society in which man can overcome alienation from his product, from his work, from his fellow man, from himself and from nature; in which he can return to himself and grasp the world with his own powers, thus becoming one with the world. Socialism for Marx, was, as Paul Tillich put it, "a resistance movement against the destruction of love in social reality." — Fromm, Marx's Concept of Man, p. 51
Marxism, it seems, in but a coupla years, spawns dictators (cults of personality). — Agent Smith
The Supreme Leader lives, if you notice, a capitalist life, amassing wealth like how entrepreneurs in capitalist societies are allowed to. The rest - ordinary folk - are prohibited from engaging in any private enterprise. — Agent Smith
I can only suppose it's the anti-capitalist iconoclasm that gets their goat. And the general challenge to the political and cultural status quo. As if it's not obvious to anyone with eyes to see that our society has gone insane. — ZzzoneiroCosm
I think that's spot on. — Tom Storm
Is it just an accident, a question of circumstances, or is Marx's ideology deeply flawed? — Agent Smith
That's the big question here. — ZzzoneiroCosm
Is it just an accident, a question of circumstances, or is Marx's ideology deeply flawed? — Agent Smith
What does Zizek say again? 'The biggest problem with revolution is the morning after.' — Tom Storm
The same amount of labor which he has given to society in one form, he receives back in another. Here, obviously, the same principle prevails as that which regulates the exchange of commodities, as far as this is exchange of equal values....The right of the producers is proportional to the labor they supply; the equality consists in the fact that measurement is made with an equal standard, labor....But one man is superior to another physically, or mentally, and supplies more labor in the same time, or can labor for a longer time; and labor, to serve as a measure, must be defined by its duration or intensity, otherwise it ceases to be a standard of measurement. This equal right is an unequal right for unequal labor. It recognizes no class differences, because everyone is only a worker like everyone else; but it tacitly recognizes unequal individual endowment, and thus productive capacity, as a natural privilege. It is, therefore, a right of inequality, in its content, like every right. Right, by its very nature, can consist only in the application of an equal standard; but unequal individuals (and they would not be different individuals if they were not unequal) are measurable only by an equal standard insofar as they are brought under an equal point of view, are taken from one definite side only -- for instance, in the present case, are regarded only as workers and nothing more is seen in them, everything else being ignored.
But these defects are inevitable in the first phase of communist society as it is when it has just emerged after prolonged birth pangs from capitalist society. Right can never be higher than the economic structure of society and its cultural development conditioned thereby. — Marx - Critique of the Gotha Programme
In a higher phase of communist society, after the enslaving subordination of the individual to the division of labor, and therewith also the antithesis between mental and physical labor, has vanished; after labor has become not only a means of life but life's prime want; after the productive forces have also increased with the all-around development of the individual, and all the springs of co-operative wealth flow more abundantly -- only then then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois right be crossed in its entirety and society inscribe on its banners: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs! — Ibid
[Marx's] studies of prehistoric and ancient society led him to the conclusion that the patriarchal family should be seen not as the original basic unit of society but as a form of social organization more recent than was generally believed. It was an organization “too weak to face alone the hardships of life” (472). It was much more plausible to assume the existence of a form like that of the American native peoples, the sindiasmic family, which practised a “communism in living” (Marx 1972, 115). — Musto
The point of this thread: Marx's vision of communism has been corrupted in various ways. — Deletedmemberzc
I think it is clear his main criticism of capitalism was in fact wrong. He predicted that capitalism would lead to an increase in poverty. In his time it is quite easy to see why he would think this, but he was simply proven wrong by history on this main point. — I like sushi
He said the middle class would get sucked down into poverty. They didn't. That fact is not up for debate. — I like sushi
Just give it a bit more time. — Tarskian
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