If you wish to discuss Kenny, have a read and get back to me.
— Banno
I don't. I gave you a heads up that you misunderstood it, the portion you quoted, that is. — Tate
"Faith, then, resembles knowledge in being irrevocable, but differs from it in being a commitment in the absence of adequate evidence" Faith is unwarranted belief. — Banno
You pointed to this to show that Kenny believes that faith overpowers negative evidence. — Tate
It is too much to say that faith requires no justification: many religious people offer arguments not just for belief in God but for their particular creed. What is true is that the kinds of arguments they offer cannot be claimed to have anything like the degree of warrant that would justify the irrevocable commitment of faith.
It is true that faith brooks no argument, not in the sense that the faithful are unwilling to offer responses to criticisms, but that no argument will make a true believer give up his faith, and this is something he is resolved on in advance of hearing any argument — Kenny
It is important for human beings to strike the right balance in belief. One can err by believing too much or believing too little. The person who believes too much suffers from the vice of credulity; the person who believes too little is guilty of excessive incredulity or scepticism. If you believe too much your mind will be cluttered with many falsehoods; if you believe too little you will be deprived of much valuable information. Let us call the virtue which stands in the middle between scepticism and credulity the virtue of rationality. — Kenny
It is true that faith brooks no argument, not in the sense that the faithful are unwilling to offer responses to criticisms, but that no argument will make a true believer give up his faith, and this is something he is resolved on in advance of hearing any argument — Kenny
As conceptions of the earth and sky changed, conceptions of divinity changed. If Kenny were right, this couldn't have happened, and it clearly did. — Tate
It is true that faith brooks no argument, not in the sense that the faithful are unwilling to offer responses to criticisms, but that no argument will make a true believer give up his faith, and this is something he is resolved on in advance of hearing any argument — Kenny
So is your argument that the faith of someone post-Galileo is different in kind to the faith of someone pre- Galileo? That in effect someone learning and accepting, say, the heliocentric world, gives up on one set of beliefs about god and adopts another? — Banno
so, I'd just point out that folk also rejected the heliocentric model because they supposed that it was in conflict with their faith. These are Kenny's true believers — Banno
Those who changed their beliefs simple had insufficient faith. — Banno
Kenny is setting out useful distinctions between belief and faith. Your denying them does not make them disappear — Banno
Just because acting in a particular way worked out fine in the end for Frodo, doesn't mean doing something similar will work out fine for me as well. — baker
In my experience, this doesn't work. — baker
To claim that my vote isn't a determination is unfair and downright unAmerican. — praxis
what do we believe when we experiece sensations but don't know what they are? — praxis
What do we believe when we can see two things, like the duck/rabit sketch? — praxis
what do we believe when we experiece sensations but don't know what they are?
— praxis
Depends what you mean by 'know'. We always make a prediction as to what they are, we're never 100% sure. — Isaac
If we always make beliefs (predictions), then what do we believe when we can’t recognize, understand, or make any sense of something? — praxis
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