Russia is simply redistributing wealth through force according to its ideas of what belongs to whom.
Given this forum's political leanings one might expect a lot more understanding for this course of action. — Tzeentch
What I did say, very clearly and repeatedly, is that every country and continent should belong to its rightful owners.
I also said that (1) this must be applied on the merits of each particular case, (2) no one says it must be applied by force of arms, and (3) nor can force or threat of force (or violence) be ruled out.
In other words, the principle should be applied if, when, and to the extent that, it is feasible. — Apollodorus
Hmmm...What exactly makes you think it’s OK for Britain and Russia to invade and divide Iran in 1941, but not for Germany and Russia to invade and divide Poland in 1939??? — Apollodorus
To do so also undermines the fact of the very real and very immoral role the US (and, therefore, NATO) has played in this crime. — Xtrix
What a load of bullshit. — creativesoul
not every fifth Iranian died because of the invasion, like what happened to the Polish. — ssu
We've got new tools now that allow the vast majority of people to have a different and previously unattainable perspective. Better to make use of that and do something new. — Judaka
What are we discussing really? — Tzeentch
This thread is an unconstructive mess. — Tzeentch
Nobody else but you are giving legitimacies over invasions and annexations. Neither the invasion of Poland or the invasion of Iran is legitimate. It's very rare that we can argue that some invasion was legitimate.The issue wasn't "how many died" but the legitimacy of the invasion! — Apollodorus
...to refer everything that has happened in history. Right.And, of course, you just "happen" to forget — Apollodorus
What international law says about this? — Tzeentch
see Charter of the United NationsAll Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.
So, arguably, the Ukraine conflict is a logical, and entirely predictable, consequence of US-NATO expansion and meddling in other nations’ affairs. — Apollodorus
views shouldn’t be uncritically dismissed on a philosophy forum. — Apollodorus
It's very rare that we can argue that some invasion was legitimate. — ssu
...to refer everything that has happened in history. Right. — ssu
In my mind history isn't at all ethical. — ssu
If one person gets away with murder, should the next person accused be automatically acquitted? — Judaka
Lumping everything together into one abomination of anger in text certainly isn't helping to turn these discussions into something productive. — Tzeentch
To argue I’m in the “pro-NATO” camp is untrue, and lazy. — Xtrix
Not only don’t I “dismiss” them, I hold them. — Xtrix
From what I see, your tendency seems to be to "forget" historical events that undermine your argument, but selectively remember events you think support it. — Apollodorus
Not everyone living in the "west" fits into your preconceived notion of "Westerners". — creativesoul
We're no longer living in those archaic times. We are interdependent social creatures, and we've no choice in the matter. We know this.
What I meant is nothing like what those self-proclaimed "Christians" meant. — creativesoul
it is clear that the grip of Western mainstream media and governments is loosening. — Judaka
Similarly, the Russian public seems to support Putin because of the effectiveness of his propaganda. — Judaka
This year, June 6 went by, no mention of the Invasion of Normandy. Normally in the time around June 6, national televisions show documentaries about D-Day, the daily film is "Saving Private Ryan", and such. But not this year. — baker
Now is a time when things are shifting. We're going to — there's going to be a New World Order out there, and we've got to lead it
Allies halting at the borders of the Third Reich...because of the sovereignty of Nazi Germany is one of those questions of some invasions. Of course, it is needles to say (except for you), that Germany invaded Poland, which started WW2.That sounds like an admission that some invasions ARE legitimate! :grin: — Apollodorus
Well, we don't have a 1340km border with Canada.How ironic, coming from someone who wishes his country would join an organization that exists for one purpose only: war. — baker
Showing that brotherly love now to your sister, right?Russians have always seen Crimea as Russian and Ukraine as a sister nation together with Belarus. — Apollodorus
Of course, it is needles to say (except for you), that Germany invaded Poland, which started WW2. — ssu
Showing that brotherly love now to your sister, right? — ssu
:up:Then stop complaining about Russia — baker
Russians both think of Ukraine as a sister nation but accept it's reasonable to invade the country for land? That doesn't make much sense to me. — Judaka
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