It's more about the competitive navigation of the constraints of physical environments resulting in systems that need to adapt to such navigation developing reflexive mental processes beneficial to the propagation of their reproductive potentialities as instantiated in RNA/DNA. — Baden
I do not believe I am sentient because I produce words and I do not have any justification for believing other beings or things are sentient simply because they produce words. — Baden
ust curious - a ridiculous hypothetical. If a spaceship landed on the White House lawn tomorrow, and slimy, tentacled (clearly organic) entities emerged demanding trade goods (and ice cream), would you insist it was their burden to prove their sentience? — Real Gone Cat
@WayfarerBelief in exceptionalism of humans originates from religion, ie it is a religious belief. — Isaac
Not at all. — 180 Proof
No. But neither does LaMDA. — ZzzoneiroCosm
Incidentally, a schizophrenic can experience a kind of pan-sentience. The objects are watching me. The mind is capable of experiencing or conceiving of the world as pan-sentient. — ZzzoneiroCosm
Again, sentience is the state of having feelings/awareness. It is not the outputting of linguistically coherent responses to some input. — Baden
let's realize how low a bar it is to consider appropriate outputs in mostly gramatically correct forms of language to some linguistic inputs (except challenging ones) to be evidence of feelings. — Baden
The ability to produce (a fascimile of) language is neither a necessary nor sufficient condition of sentience nor, without some justificatory framework, is it even any evidence thereof. — Baden
People (intelligent, sane ones) consider certain instances of AI sentient. — Isaac
The argument is that is otherwise intelligent and sane people think it is sentient — Isaac
To my knowledge one person has possibly* made this claim. His psychological history is unknown.
*It may be a promotional stunt. — ZzzoneiroCosm
The argument is that is otherwise intelligent and sane people think it is sentient, countering their view by saying "it can't be, it's made of wires" is not only weak but has precisely the same pattern as previous denials of moral worth. You say "it must be biological" as if that were obvious, but the exact same "obviousness" was applied in the past to other criteria. — Isaac
Anyone claiming a machine might be sentient - an extraordinary claim - bears the burden of proof. — ZzzoneiroCosm
You've assumed he must be one of those things because you've already concluded LaMDA cannot be sentient. — Isaac
At any rate, my most current formulation is:
Anyone claiming a machine might be sentient - an extraordinary claim - bears the burden of proof. — ZzzoneiroCosm
They should have a very, very, very good reason for making this claim. — ZzzoneiroCosm
Yeah, it may be. And if it is, or he's gone mad, or is lying, or was on drugs or whatever, then any of those situations would constitute evidence that LaMDA is not sentient. — Isaac
Even if the man is completely sane, he's only one man. No one else has made his claim and many of his colleagues have claimed the opposite. — ZzzoneiroCosm
"It seems sentient."
It's the very highest proof possible for sentience since there are no other agreed measures. — Isaac
"It seems sentient." — Isaac
It's the very highest proof possible for sentience since there are no other agreed measures. — Isaac
That's not a very good reason to make such an extraordinary claim. — ZzzoneiroCosm
That's not a very good reason to make such an extraordinary claim. — ZzzoneiroCosm
sentience can never be proven. — ZzzoneiroCosm
I accept that other human beings are sentient because I'm sentient and they look and behave like I do. — ZzzoneiroCosm
Biologically, we're of the same species. — ZzzoneiroCosm
I can never prove my fellow human beings are sentient. — ZzzoneiroCosm
Yep. That's exactly the claim Lemione is making. — Isaac
You keep repeating this claim but without any support whatsoever. On what grounds is your biological similarity key? — Isaac
I'm not claiming it's good. — Isaac
But I can never prove my fellow human beings are sentient. — ZzzoneiroCosm
Do you have an unshakable conviction - a sense of certainty - that a human being is typing these words?
Do you have an unshakable conviction - a sense of certainty - that this human being is sentient? — ZzzoneiroCosm
I wouldn't call it an unshakable conviction or a certainty, but rather an encounter in a face-to-face relation. — Moliere
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