Of course one can suggest a specific usage for a term that people can then agree to use. That's fine, but your posts read as if the people who disagreed with you are wrong. They didn't understand what the word meant. Those two discussions have quite different tones. Here the common usage tends much more against your sense of how the word should be used, and people were likely responding from that knowledge. I would guess they would react differently if you presented it as a proposal for a unified definition and the one you want. I certainly would have.They may not be distinguished in sloppy common usage, but isn't that the point of sharpening usage: to clarify the underlying logic? — Janus
Yes. I think that process of erosion is more in one's control than is immediately apparent perhaps. One can lose faith st every setback, or one can retain it despite failures.
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No, I'm not talking about one's first thoughts, I'm talking about mental states that cannot be brought about deliberately.
— baker
Yeah, I'm disputing the existence of those states. I'm saying that such states only appear to be impossible to bring about because we erroneously assume that the state they are intended to replace (our first thoughts) is arrived by some more 'natural' process. It isn't. — Isaac
Like any narrative, there are limits, it has to work (predictions made using it have to turn out), but there are multiple narratives which work no better or worse than each other. We're free to choose between them.
but your posts read as if the people who disagreed with you are wrong. — Bylaw
A fine example of this is shown by the overwhelming majority of Americans not trusting that the country is heading in the right direction, by virtue of not trusting the truthfulness of elected officials, and most recently, not trusting the very institutions of American government. — creativesoul
Be nice for you to unpack that. Doubt of what, based upon what? That's the philosophically interesting approach, keeping in line with the OP's topic. — creativesoul
Doubt in the legitimacy of the government, based upon what? — creativesoul
I'm looking for an explanation consisting of more philosophically interesting substance. Not political speech. — creativesoul
Then we can look at what beliefs that doubt is founded upon. — creativesoul
Then we can examine the specific beliefs that ground the doubt regarding the legitimacy of the election. — creativesoul
What grounds the belief that Trump won? — creativesoul
Doubt in the legitimacy of the government, based upon what?
— creativesoul
Based on they want power and want to delegitimize all existing norms. — Jackson
Trump supporters' doubt about the legitimacy of the 202 American presidential election is/was not based upon the motives you've proposed are the officials'. — creativesoul
Trump supporters' doubt about the legitimacy of the 202 American presidential election is/was not based upon the motives you've proposed are the officials'.
— creativesoul
Same... — Jackson
Do you agree? — creativesoul
There is not a single bit of evidence the election was improper. — Jackson
Many people aren't deliberate like this, so being this way has a psycho-socially alienating effect, which isn't to be underestimated. — baker
But choose between such equally in/effective narratives on the grounds of what? Which one pleases one's ego more? — baker
I submit to you that such belief was based purely upon the deliberate perpetuation of the falsehood. They took Trump at his word. — creativesoul
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