I think talk of culture is not very useful. Where does one begin and where does it end? If they are separate, what does it mean people from one culture intact with another? How granular should it be? Are art-loving liberals living in upper Manhattan a separate culture? — Benkei
“So it can be that in your subconscious that you, ladies and gentlemen, you can’t vote for me because you’ve been lied to, with Surat Almaidah 51 and the like. That’s your right. If you feel you can’t vote for me because you fear you’ll go to hell, because you’ve been lied to, no worries. That’s your personal call.”
The thread is about 'separation of church and state' and the observation that Islam doesn't really recognise that separation And thiis case is a textbook illustration. If that offends your liberal sensibilities because it singles out Islam, then so be it. — Wayfarer
The fact that cultures might intersect or contain each other doesn't matter. The relevant granularity depends on what you're interested in. In this case, that's religion, so it's surely then appropriate to speak of Islamic culture, because there are few things more cultural than religion. But it is complicated. The big French survey from a few years ago showed that millions of French people (mostly of North African descent) identify as Muslims but also as secular and non-observant. However, I think this backs up my basic point. — jamalrob
The big French survey from a few years ago showed that millions of French people (mostly of North African descent) identify as Muslims but also as secular and non-observant. However, I think this backs up my basic point. — jamalrob
You went into this discussion with a clear position without knowing what you're talking about? :-O — Benkei
The reality is that some Muslim majority countries are secular and do not have blasphemy or apostasy laws — Benkei
it appeared as short hand for all Muslims, considering "Islam is theocratic" — Benkei
This is as much to do with Indonesian politics as it has to do with religion, and any analysis that calls this a 'textbook case' of how Islam 'intrinsically' doesn't respect the separation of Church and State is talking out of their butt. — StreetlightX
It is a fact that Islam doesn't recognise the separation of Church and State — Wayfarer
'Islam', like any other religion, is a human phenomenon — StreetlightX
Yeah, a 'fact" that, y'know, facts speak out against. As in, you are literally 100% wrong about this. Put it this way dude, there are literally more than half a billion Muslims in the world who live, eat, sleep, and breathe in largely secular nation-states. You are half a billion reasons wrong. — StreetlightX
More than half (51%) of U.S. Muslims polled also believe either that they should have the choice of American or shariah courts, or that they should have their own tribunals to apply shariah. Only 39% of those polled said that Muslims in the U.S. should be subject to American courts. — Center for Security Policy
Most religious people want theocracy — Sivad
I don't know how the numbers stack up. — Bitter Crank
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