the real determined by negating unreals — 180 Proof
I'm not following you. "Positive" and "negative" approaches are just two branches off the trunk of "metaphysics". E.g. like space and negative space are aspects of the same geometry. — 180 Proof
"Positive" and "negative" approaches are just two branches off the trunk of "metaphysics". — 180 Proof
I don't use "a bivalent methodology", just a non-oppositional, non-exclusionary alternative to the Aristotlean / Thomistic 'mainstream'. You're reading your own concerns, ucarr, into what i've expressed here which misreads my stated goal.I don't think you can use a bivalent methodology to establish the categorical certainty of one valence & the categorical impossibility of its opposing valence. — ucarr
I... use...a non-oppositional, non-exclusionary alternative to the Aristotlean / Thomistic 'mainstream' — 180 Proof
I conceive of 'categorical principles' via negation ("X is not Y" ~ the real determined by negating unreals) — 180 Proof
You're reading your own concerns, ucarr, into what i've expressed here which misreads my stated goal. — 180 Proof
Not in a genuine dialogue where understanding mutually different positions is the goal. I've very little interest in merely exchanging monologues which I find is unproductive and arrogant. When I reply to your posts, for instance, I'm taking issue to what you're written as best as I can tease-out your meanings. Only then, when confirmed by your responses, do I criticize according to (A) any problematic reasoning and/or (B) questionable assertions contained therein which are contrary to my own concerns. To lead with my own concerns is more or less to shadowbox with myself and therefore to learn nothing. I don't come to TPF just to merely monologue like fools and trolls on do on Reddit.Of course I'm reading my own concerns into what you've expressed here. Nothing unusual (or improper) about that. Don't you sometimes read your own concerns into the expressed intentions of others? — ucarr
Yet I've not argued for or against any thesis, therefore – so far only describing an alternative approach to"metaphysics" – have not proposed any "conclusions" here; and yet, you contend "my conclusion diverges from yours". Your disagreeing with your strawman, ucarr, not with anything I've written. :roll:My conclusion diverges from yours.
Not at all. I guess you didn't bother with the link I provided to an old post where I discuss "via negation" aka apophatic metaphysics. If you're not going to read what I write for comprehension, ucarr, that's quite all right but let me know so I won't waste any more time answering your questions.You say above you conceive of categorical principles via negation.
The key word here is via. One of its definitions is by way of; through
I differ from Aristotleans/Thomists insofar as I conceive of 'categorical principles' via negation ("X is not Y" ~ the real determined by negating unreals) instead of via positivity (i.e. "X is Y" ~ the real defined by positing reals) — 180 Proof
because, whereas the latter makes it intractably difficult to reach a philosophical concensus, the former, IME, makes philosophical disagreement – the devil's, of course, in the details – self-contradictory. — 180 Proof
The key word here is via. One of its definitions is by way of; through
Not at all. I guess you didn't bother with the link I provided to an old post where I discuss "via negation" aka apophatic metaphysics... — 180 Proof
I've very little interest in merely exchanging monologues which I find is unproductive and arrogant. — 180 Proof
I don't use "a bivalent methodology", just a non-oppositional, non-exclusionary alternative to the Aristotlean / Thomistic 'mainstream'. — 180 Proof
Of course I'm reading my own concerns into what you've expressed here. Nothing unusual (or improper) about that. Don't you sometimes read your own concerns into the expressed intentions of others? — ucarr
Not in a genuine dialogue where understanding mutually different positions is the goal. — 180 Proof
Of course I'm reading my own concerns into what you've expressed here. — ucarr
The key word here is via. One of its definitions is by way of; through
Not at all. I guess you didn't bother with the link I provided to an old post where I discuss "via negation" aka apophatic metaphysics. If you're not going to read what I write for comprehension, ucarr, that's quite all right but let me know so I won't waste any more time answering your questions. — 180 Proof
You're monologuing (with yourself) again. Nothing to do with anything I've written. :yawn: — 180 Proof
... real/unreal polarities ...
... metaphysical acid test ...
... acid test for the hard boundaries of the categorical ... — ucarr
You're monologuing (with yourself) again. Nothing to do with anything I've written. :yawn: — 180 Proof
... real/unreal polarities ... — ucarr
and you obliged me by responding thus,
— ucarr
Aristotle's students / archivists coined the term "tà metà tà physikà biblía" which he never used (in his works). I do agree with his conception of philosophia prima – the categorical principles necessary for rationally interpreting the whole of nature. I differ from Aristotleans/Thomists insofar as I conceive of 'categorical principles' via negation ("X is not Y" ~ the real determined by negating unreals) instead of via positivity (i.e. "X is Y" ~ the real defined by positing reals) because, whereas the latter makes it intractably difficult to reach a philosophical concensus, the former, IME, makes philosophical disagreement – the devil's, of course, in the details – self-contradictory. For instance (a sketch with a link to more ... links ... sketches): — 180 Proof
... metaphysical acid test ... — ucarr
In my opinion, metaphysics is obsolete ...
— Enrique
Cataphatic metaphysics (i.e. deductively positing categories/universals), I completely agree, is obsolete but not apophatic metaphysics (i.e. deductively negating categories/universals) which has not yet been adequately explored. It's my preferred approach for acid testing impossible (self-contradictory) concepts or models used in defeasible discursive practices such as natural sciences, historical sciences, legal theory, formal systems, etc. Scientism, however, doesn't seem a viable, or coherent, alternative to speculatively creating 'new' concepts (metaphor-paradigms) adequate to our theoretical problems or interpreting their theoretical solutions accordingly. In other words, a nail (re: science) can't hammer itself. — 180 Proof
... acid test for the hard boundaries of the categorical ... — ucarr
The question of all questions is: what is?
— Xtrix
In the apophatic tradition I think this ur-question is answered, rather than merely addressed, by reformulating it 'what necessarily is not' e.g. ↪180 Proof. — 180 Proof
Can you point out where and how I "posit real/unreal as polar opposite"?Can you explain, logically, how your above bolded statement (concerned with categoricals) does NOT posit real/unreal as polar opposites? — ucarr
No you're not. I wroteWhen I write "acid test" re: a characterization of cataphaticism, I'm quoting you.
Btw, what the hell is "cataphaticism"? :sweat:... acid testing impossible (self-contradictory) concepts or models used in defeasible discursive practices such as natural sciences, historical sciences, legal theory, formal systems, etc. — 180 Proof
A distinction (i.e. alternative) is not a "hard boundary". :roll:Can you explain, logically, how "what necessarily is not" fails to express "hard boundary"? The adverb "necessarily," as I understand it, leaves no wiggle room re: the absolutism of the boundary.
Again, ucarr, this has nothing to do with anything I've written. Re: .Moreover, it's clear that in your articulation of your take on metaphysics, you intend, overall, to propound a methodology that establishes categorically & absolutely the real in opposition to the unreal.
Can you point out where and how I "posit real/unreal as polar opposite"? — 180 Proof
("X is not Y" ~ the real determined by negating unreals) — 180 Proof
When I write "acid test" re: a characterization of cataphaticism, I'm quoting you. — ucarr
No you're not. I wrote
... acid testing impossible (self-contradictory) concepts or models used in defeasible discursive practices such as natural sciences, historical sciences, legal theory, formal systems, etc. — 180 Proof
apophatic metaphysics (i.e. deductively negating categories/universals) which has not yet been adequately explored. It's my preferred approach for acid testing impossible (self-contradictory) concepts or models — 180 Proof
Btw, what the hell is "cataphaticism"? :sweat: — 180 Proof
Can you explain, logically, how "what necessarily is not" fails to express "hard boundary"? The adverb "necessarily," as I understand it, leaves no wiggle room re: the absolutism of the boundary. — ucarr
A distinction (i.e. alternative) is not a "hard boundary". :roll: — 180 Proof
Cataphatic metaphysics (i.e. deductively positing categories/universals), I completely agree, is obsolete — 180 Proof
Moreover, it's clear that in your articulation of your take on metaphysics, you intend, overall, to propound a methodology that establishes categorically & absolutely the real in opposition to the unreal.
— ucarr
Again, ucarr, this has nothing to do with anything I've written. — 180 Proof
("X is not Y" ~ the real determined by negating unreals) — 180 Proof
un-1 | ən |
prefix
1 (added to adjectives, participles, and their derivatives) denoting the absence of a quality or state; not: unabashed | unacademic | unrepeatable.
• the reverse of (usually with an implication of approval or disapproval, or with another special connotation): unselfish | unprepossessing | unworldly. — ucarr
You're monologuing (with yourself) again. Nothing to do with anything I've written. :yawn: — 180 Proof
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