Let us grant that the deliberate perpetuation of the falsehood was Trump's; still the belief of others cannot be based simply on that. The interesting question is as to why they take Trump at his word? What motivates their taking Trump at his word? — Janus
So, Trump supporters' belief that the election was stolen is not based upon evidence. What grounds their belief? What is such belief based upon? — creativesoul
The interesting question is as to why they take Trump at his word? What motivates their taking Trump at his word? — Janus
It's not clear it's a belief. It could also be simply strategy, a claim they repeatedly make (even though they know it isn't true) because it serves their purpose to do so (to obtain high positions of power).
Which also explains why they seem immune to facts. They know the facts, they just have different plans. — baker
The interesting question is as to why they take Trump at his word? What motivates their taking Trump at his word? — Janus
So, it seems to me the answer lies in the growing perception that the left have sold out to corporate and plutocratic interests. — Janus
Typically they are conservative and want to maintain the status quo; this taste for revolution is coming, — Janus
So, it seems to me the answer lies in the growing perception that the left have sold out to corporate and plutocratic interests. This perception is also there in Australian politics, but the intensity is dialed down somewhat. — Janus
We live in a new era of super charged tribalism that can readily be organized and inflamed by social media and Murdoch. — Tom Storm
Fox News’s parent company can be sued by a voting-machine maker because Rupert and Lachlan Murdoch may have acted with “actual malice” in directing the network to broadcast conspiracy theories alleging the 2020 presidential election was rigged against Donald Trump.
Delaware Superior Court Judge Eric M. Davis on Tuesday denied Fox Corp.’s motion to dismiss the suit, saying Dominion Voting Systems had shown that the Murdochs may have been on notice that the conspiracy theory that rigged voting machines tilted the vote was false but let Fox News broadcast it anyway. — Bloomberg
setting up loans for people who could not afford them — Janus
Religions don't have a monopoly on belief. — Wayfarer
Maybe part of Trump's appeal is that he exemplifies 'you can create your own reality, never mind facts' — Wayfarer
Lachlan Murdoch may have acted with “actual malice” in directing the network — Bloomberg
Let us grant that the deliberate perpetuation of the falsehood was Trump's; still the belief of others cannot be based simply on that. The interesting question is as to why they take Trump at his word? What motivates their taking Trump at his word? — Janus
It's not clear it's a belief. It could also be simply strategy, a claim they repeatedly make (even though they know it isn't true) because it serves their purpose to do so (to obtain high positions of power).
Which also explains why they seem immune to facts. They know the facts, they just have different plans. — baker
Could explain the behavior. NOTHING excuses the inaction!!! — creativesoul
I agree with you about disaffected working folk - there should be a way to reactivate a Reformist Left (as opposed to a Cultural Left, which may be seen more as a product of elites and latte sipping hypocrites).
When I speak with working people I often hear that for them much of what passes for the Left hates and mocks them because the left is about elitism (education) and cultural issues they don't relate to and is palpably snooty about working people and the suburban life. I can see why they say that. 'The Right' has an opportunity to say - hey, we're not elitists, we don't dig modern culture much either, we just want all people to live the dream and make money for their family and be left alone by academic wankers and interfering governments. This can be seductive. — Tom Storm
I agree with both your answers, but the question seeks a deeper answer; why do they want to overthrow the Government, what motivates their participation in a "culture war". — Janus
this taste for revolution is coming, it seems, from the disaffected working class; those who you would expect to be more aligned with the left.
So, Trump seems to have played on this disaffection and duped people into thinking he is all for the worker, the 'every woman and man'.
Could explain the behavior. NOTHING excuses the inaction!!!
— creativesoul
Are you God?
Else, on what grounds can you fret about what they do or don't do? — baker
On what ground can you justify arguing otherwise? — creativesoul
"Are you God?"
Pffft. Fucking morons around here.
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