Want to do the right thing morally? Do not harm any existing person unnecessarily. :death: :flower: — 180 Proof
But you just made a fact-based argument for AN, no? — schopenhauer1
You ought to "take that into consideration" iff that "someone" is an existing person. — 180 Proof
"If you can't bring a person into a perfect version of their Utopia/Paradise, then it is wrong to bring that person into the world, period". — schopenhauer1
Accepting for the sake of argument that innocents do not deserve to come to harm, it does not follow that they deserve to be harm free either. — Janus
I think you're confusing the notion of legal innocence - of not having committed a crime - with an existential question - what is the cause of the suffering and harm that all humans are susceptible to. — Wayfarer
I am not against antinatalism. From a practical POV, it would help our environmental problems a great deal if far fewer people had been born in decades past. — Bitter Crank
But arguing the merits of antinatalism is a bit like arguing the merits of homosexuality — Bitter Crank
One IS a homosexual or one is not. Logic has nothing to do with it. One IS an antinatalist or one is not. I do not believe people embrace antinatalism because of compelling argument. They embrace antinatalism because of compelling experience. — Bitter Crank
Reading your arguments, such as they are, entails suffering we do not deserve. — Bitter Crank
Which premise are you denying? — Bartricks
Most interesting. — Ms. Marple (a childless spinster)
Why's that ironic? Are you Alanis Morrissette? — Bartricks
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