True, but in classical music, for example, interpretation is so key. — Noble Dust
You're feeling feelings Tommy boy! Embrace it! — Noble Dust
So if craft is important to you, it's probably because you already like well executed things. — Tom Storm
Can you define "craft"? I still don't understand this word. — Noble Dust
For me craft focuses on skill - a work is loosely or strictly based upon a pattern or formula (eg, song writing, journalism, ship building, making a table). Making a pair of boots is a craft - there is a pattern to follow. Some craftspeople go a step or two further and can make a pair of boots a thing of beauty. Perhaps this is high craft, some might even call it art at that level. But none of this is exact and this is only my working definition. — Tom Storm
True, but in classical music, for example, interpretation is so key. Especially in what I consider the golden age, the late romantic to early modern period; the music of that era is so malleable that interpretation becomes everything. A lot of the music from that era is so damn hard to play that a faithful interpretation is just rare. Pogorelich is an example of a master who, in my opinion, played Ravel properly and was able to coax out the emotional content while also being a virtuoso and able to play impossible music properly. — Noble Dust
This gets to the heart of it for me. If you believe, as I do, that art is anything made to be judged aesthetically, how do you classify things that are made to be useful, comfortable, and reliable for which aesthetics is secondary at most? — T Clark
This gets to the heart of it for me. If you believe, as I do, that art is anything made to be judged aesthetically, how do you classify things that are made to be useful, comfortable, and reliable for which aesthetics is secondary at most? — T Clark
Are they everyday crafted objects which have transcended their status is some way? Or are do they embody a kind of dualism of purpose - equally both art and craft? — Tom Storm
Agree. I have seen that anger too. The reason this subject sets people off is that there is often an implicit assumption that art has a higher status than craft. Maybe a remnant of Platonism. I do not have a definition of art but Ive generally held that art's primary job is providing an aesthetic experience. But Clarky would prefer us not to get stuck in this particular bog again. — Tom Storm
As I said, reducing aesthetics to beauty is wrong. — Jackson
I don't think it is wrong. It's just not my definition. I generally prefer not to make totalizing statements when it comes to aesthetics. Someone could come along and explain what beauty means in a much fuller, richer intergrated way that I can have imagined. Just saying... — Tom Storm
I've pondered this for some years. My imperfect answer is that such objects are craft works, not art works. One area where this gets tricky is in what is often called 'art of the ancient world'. Two items spring to mind - an Egyptian sarcophagus made of cartonage, painted, colourful and decorative; and an Athenian painted vase vase. They are both objects primarily designed to have a function - a coffin and a jug respectively. They they are now admired solely for the art they reveal. Are they everyday crafted objects which have transcended their status is some way? Or are do they embody a kind of dualism of purpose - equally both art and craft? — Tom Storm
As I said, reducing aesthetics to beauty is wrong. — Jackson
Aesthetics, or esthetics (/ɛsˈθɛtɪks, iːs-, æs-/), is a branch of philosophy that deals with the nature of beauty and taste, as well as the philosophy of art (its own area of philosophy that comes out of aesthetics).[1] It examines aesthetic values, often expressed through judgments of taste.[2] — Wikipedia
Aesthetics may be defined narrowly as the theory of beauty, or more broadly as that together with the philosophy of art. — IEP
dealing with the nature of beauty, art, and taste and with the creation and appreciation of beauty — Merriam-Webster
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