Hmmmm...Americanistan just around the corner. — Agent Smith
If the Dems do not kill the US Senate's jim/jane crow Filibuster Rule asap, then ... Welcome to Gilead. — 180 Proof
An unfortunate reality:
1. Abortion ought be afforded to those women who choose it in certain circumstances.
2. The US Constitution doesn't speak to that right.
You can believe in 1 and 2 at the same time.
That you see the Constitution as a vehicle to justify a progressive morality, regardless of the the actual content of the text, is a political position. I'm not condemning the sentiment and an argument can be made that the harsh rule of law should be bent by those wise enough to see its injustice, but so too can an argument be made that the rule of law ought be followed and not be overturned upon subjective notions if fairness.
That is, the ruling was a reasonable result if one sincerely holds to the position that the Constitution doesn't say whatever we think it ought to say. — Hanover
it's purely political and caters only to a relatively small group of people living in the USA. — Benkei
Imagine thinking that American fascism is the work of "a few bad actors" and not a deliberate, systemic outcome of tens of millions of Americans who simply like fascism and despise women. This is not "a few bad actors". This is who and what the US is, and it will only continue to get worse. — Streetlight
A core of conservatives have never reconciled themselves with New Deal programs — Bitter Crank
If it's silent on the point, all the more reason not to use it as a basis for literal interpretation, which is the error Anglo-Saxon lawyers keep making. — Benkei
The U.S. Supreme Court’s decision Friday to strike down Roe v. Wade will help further create a single class of Texans able to terminate their pregnancies with little financial hardship: the wealthy.
Even before the ruling, a person living in Texas could expect to spend between $1,000 and $4,000 to cover the costs of obtaining a surgical abortion, shutting out all but the most financially secure residents and cutting off access to an already disadvantaged population of Texans.
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Traveling out of the state or country to obtain abortion services will simply be beyond the reach of many Texans. That includes people who will find it difficult or impossible to leave the state on short notice, if at all; those working in wage-based jobs with no paid time off; those with no access to child care; those living in rural areas with no airports and few options for public transportation; teenagers with little or no parental support; and those without enough in their savings accounts to cover expenses.
it reasonable to believe that there is no substantive due process in the constitution? — Michael
I'm sorry you don't like reality, but closing your eyes to it — Streetlight
Yes, that is reasonable. The only way we arrive at these unspoken rules (like the right to have an abortion) is through a biblical sort of sensus plenior exegesis upon a fairly limited document. If 100 otherwise uninitiated interpreters were asked if abortion were protected under the US Constitution, I can't imagine anyone would write an opinion remotely close to Roe v. Wade, especially with regard to trimester framework described in it.
But even if I grant you that substantive due process is reasonable, that doesn't negate the reasonableness of those who reject it, but you're instead left with a reasonable disagreement, although few describe the dispute in that way. — Hanover
While the Ninth Amendment – and indeed the entire Bill of Rights – originally concerned restrictions upon federal power, the subsequently enacted Fourteenth Amendment prohibits the States as well from abridging fundamental personal liberties. And, the Ninth Amendment, in indicating that not all such liberties are specifically mentioned in the first eight amendments, is surely relevant in showing the existence of other fundamental personal rights, now protected from state, as well as federal, infringement. In sum, the Ninth Amendment simply lends strong support to the view that the "liberty" protected by the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments from infringement by the Federal Government or the States is not restricted to rights specifically mentioned in the first eight amendments. — Griswold v. Connecticut
The Missouri law, which provides no exception for rape or incest, classifies the act of inducing an abortion as a class B felony, meaning it could result in a five- to 15-year prison sentence. It applies to abortion providers, though it’s unclear whether someone could be prosecuted for using abortion-inducing medications, per the NPR station. — Republican-run US states move to immediately ban abortion after court overturns Roe v Wade (Jun 24, 2022)
Never. — Xtrix
It's "a monumental day for" regressive conservatism, religious sentiments being imposed upon others apparently, no mention of sober bioethics either. — jorndoe
:100:literal interpretation, which is the error Anglo-Saxon lawyers keep making. They believe literal interpretations are necessary where these are woefully inadequate and then even call it the "golden rule". This is why so many decisions in the UK and the USA are divorced from justice, because literal interpretations only provide legal certainty as if justice is static and not localised and time dependent. It totally ignores context. So yes, dumb cunts on the SCOTUS. — Benkei
Some, but only partly.They believe they lost power during the New Deal era, and were under threat in the 60s. There’s some truth in that. — Xtrix
The problem with unenumerated rights is in deciding what they are — Hanover
I think this achievable list constitutes a reasonable criterion by which to judge the political will and governing competence of POTUS and the Congressional Democratic Leadership. Are they antifascists or fucking collaborators?1A. By Executive Order of POTUS, issue permits to set up mobile abortion clinics on easily accessible federal lands in all states where abortion and abortion services are outlawed.
1B. CIC orders all miilitary bases, accessible to civilians, located in states where abortion and abortion services are outlawed, to immediately set up, within base hospital facilities, secure abortion clinics to be staffed by civilian abortion providers and open to both civilians and military personnel seeking reproductive healthcare.
2. Kill the US Senate's jim/jane crow Filibuster Rule.
3. Pass the Judiciary Act of 2021 which expands SCOTUS by four or more justices.
Some, but only partly. — ssu
Just "who" these people are is a genuine question as people just love the stereotypes they create of "the other" as the enemy. — ssu
Wow, that’s actually a lot more people having abortions than I would have expected. Pretty surprising to me.If the 2014 age-specific abortion rates prevail, 24% of women aged 15 to 44 years in that year will have an abortion by age 45 years
This is how I see it as well. The Supreme Court isn’t explicitly “restricting” abortion rights by overturning Roe v Wade (although this is the effect of allow states to make their own laws). Politically and legally, it comes down to peoples’ belief in how rigid or flexible the constitution “should be” in making or enforcing law on a federal level. Not only do we want the laws to reflect our opinion, but we also want the justification to be sound as well, as this sets a legal precedent for further laws and decisions.1. Abortion ought be afforded to those women who choose it in certain circumstances.
2. The US Constitution doesn't speak to that right.
You can believe in 1 and 2 at the same time.
I think this achievable list constitutes a reasonable criterion by which to judge the political will and governing competence of POTUS and the Congressional Democratic Leadership. Are they antifascists or fucking collaborators? — 180 Proof
With Roe vs. Wade squashed, we should expect a population explosion in the US in the coming few decades. — Agent Smith
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