Thanks for being forthright. I do not think most art is garbage. — Jackson
Except that it is what you said. — T Clark
Your welcome.
Just look at any art forum on the interwebs, 99% shit. Even artstation, with all its quality control, is 99% shit. — Merkwurdichliebe
I consider this talented guitar playing; it doesn't require that much skill though. It's probably my favorite style of guitar playing. — Noble Dust
"beauty is the Idea made real in the sensuous and actual world" Hegel, Lectures on Art.
How I think of art. An idea made material. — Jackson
Love me some Hegel. For me, i consider the "idea made material" to be aesthetic in nature (philosophically speaking), but I wouldn't classify every "idea made material" as art. I personally do not consider trashcan basketball as true basketball, even though they are identical in all the right ways. — Merkwurdichliebe
I think that is true in one sense, but only if you take a panoptic overview of art as a subject. Given the diversity of the history of artistic expression, it looks like there are no rules. But if you are talking about expressions of particular art forms; Greek attic painting or Japanese art or 19th century realism, or pop art, there were very strict conventions that must be observed. — Tom Storm
True, there are no rules in art. As the master vilppu said there are no rules, only tools. Yet there are rules for the tools, and these relate directly to intention and skill. Take linear perspective [...] — Merkwurdichliebe
It's the idea made sensuous. That is what art is. — Jackson
It's the idea made sensuous. That is what art is. — Jackson
But art requires more than simply making the idea actual — Merkwurdichliebe
I had the idea of a shit. I took a dump and it became actual and sensuous. Is it art? — Merkwurdichliebe
Someone besides you has to care. — Jackson
And who that someone is, is very important, wouldn't you agree? I mean a colorblind person would not be the best judge of impressionism. — Merkwurdichliebe
But it requires some skills doesn't it? I definitely don’t have the talent or skill to do that. If it is a style, then there are probably a few techniques for making that style. Did you possess all those techniques from the start, or did you have to develop certain skills to achieve them? — Merkwurdichliebe
On the skill vs. talent debate, I guess I think anyone can learn a skill. Guitar, painting, writing, whatever. Anyone can learn a set of rules that produce a desired result. But I think this idea of "talent" isn't so much a result of some vague concept of being "born with it", but more a product of one's environment, and one's psychological makeup. — Noble Dust
I had the idea of a shit. I took a dump and it became actual and sensuous. Is it art? — Merkwurdichliebe
Imagine the throngs who would clog up a gallery to sneek a glimpse of Picasso poo. — Tom Storm
The real question with such an example is not whether it is art, but whether it's any good, subject to whatever criteria you wish to apply. — Tom Storm
but let's not fool ourselves into believing that this person is an actual artist who creates actual art. — Merkwurdichliebe
I see how you might argue this and I am not saying you are wrong. I just feel uneasy about saying what is and what is not art - it's a thin line from this to the Nazi's Degenerate Art exhibition (1937). — Tom Storm
But where they attribute the inferiority to an incursion of undesirable cultures, I attribute the inferiority of modernism to a lack of artistic skill in the work itself (based on the criterion of the classical tradition). — Merkwurdichliebe
Only in the advent of postmodernist and modernist art did those classical rules become obsolete. So, now, in our generation, art requires no skill or training, everyone is an artist and everything is art. — Merkwurdichliebe
Skill: Synonymous with proficiency i.e. how familiar one is with the tools/instruments (of art). Requires practice, has to be learned that is and is generic. — Agent Smith
For me the trick is not to dismiss the stuff I don't get as a defensive reflex action. I like much modernist art and most abstract art. To come back to the OP - I am not overly interested in the quality of draftsmanship or demonstration of skills when it comes to painting or sculpture. Skills here don't really move me. — Tom Storm
Aha, so as I thought, you don't like this stuff. In some ways I'm partial. — Noble Dust
talent — Merkwurdichliebe
However. What sets the classical laws of art in place?
The philosophy of the time in which they were born sets them in place. Are we philosophically living in the age of the enlightenment where all of those rules comes from? No. So why should we keep those old rules in place? — Noble Dust
One could argue that these laws are universal laws proved by art itself. That's an intriguing perspective, but how do you measure universality?
One has inborn talent and the other has to, well, trudge through art school. Can you name some artists of both types? — Agent Smith
Between skill and technique which of the two, perhaps both, can be congenital? It's quite fascinating to see a child paint at par with an adult who's spent thousands of dollar-hours learning painting.
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