No hostility, just the logic of antinatalism's life-denial.Why are you so off the rails hostile? — schopenhauer1
I do believe that the existence of lives wherein there isn't sufficient value is extremely tragic. The responsibility lies on the shoulders of many. — DA671
what you're suggesting is absurd - that people have no moral obligation to take into account the consequences of their actions. — Tzeentch
Still, I know that it is a controversial view, so I am willing to accept that creation can indeed be good/bad. As I have said elsewhere, if this view is true, then creating a mostly negative life would be immoral, especially when it's done intentionally. — DA671
I see no reason why future negative consequences should be in our minds but not the positive ones. — DA671
The key thing is the well-being of the person, not the degree of control exercised by two people. — DA671
Interestingly enough, negative utilitarians who only wish to reduce suffering might be forced to say that allowing a million people to suffer is good as long as it removes the greater suffering of a single being. Therefore, NU isn't as perfect as some of its proponents might think. — DA671
I see "good odds" as the only attempt at a justification here, but I'm trying to see if there are other possibilities. — Tzeentch
We ought be concerning ourselves with the welfare of our community. — Isaac
One ought not create the risk of massive unwarranted harm. One ought to create happiness where one can. — Isaac
I agree with this line of thought. — Tzeentch
if one's goal is to do good onto others, one should be humble and seek to do so in ways that are within one's control. — Tzeentch
The ball is also controlled by many other agents. — DA671
As I have said elsewhere, one cannot simply look at the risks and ignore the opportunities. — DA671
By it, the simplest justification for having a child is that it will do more to improve the welfare of one's community (including the future child) than not doing so would. — Isaac
I don't follow. On what grounds is inaction morally superior to action? — Isaac
That isn't known when the decision is made. One may very well be making a decision that greatly damages their community and their future child. — Tzeentch
I guess one approach would be to say something like "but the chance of improvement is larger than the chance of damage", or is there some other way to continue in the face of these unknown consequences? — Tzeentch
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