moral principles that govern a person's behavior or the conducting of an activity. — schopenhauer1
1. When someone doesn't exist to experience good, damage has occurred to no one.
2. When someone does exist to experience bad, damage has occurred to someone. — schopenhauer1
"Natalism" needs to be justified? Since when? — 180 Proof
So, Benatar has to be inconsistent in how he treats nonexistence to make the case for antinatalism. That's the flaw in his argument in my humble opinion.
That's why I wished to take nonexistence out of the calculus by proposing we assume people exist before they're born on Earth. That way we can avoid the metaphysics of nonexistence, a complex topic in its own right and reduce the problem to a mathematical game of chance. — Agent Smith
Same thing. Key word being 'govern'. Not do as you please. — Isaac
Why the question? — 180 Proof
That's why I wished to take nonexistence out of the calculus by proposing we assume people exist before they're born on Earth. — Agent Smith
This is child's play. — Tzeentch
Why would we want to reproduce given that path leads to disaster: overpopulation and its accompaniments like diseases (e.g. Covid), famine, ecological collapse, so on and so forth. — Agent Smith
It says govern, but the definition I pasted did not mention "accepted rules about behaviour". — schopenhauer1
There are many things that are natural, e.g. we're violent by nature, but does that mean we should be violent? — Agent Smith
One is not 'governed' if one gets to make up one's own rules. One is simply doing as one pleases. — Isaac
And, recycling souls makes for an efficient universe and leaves enough space in hell for everybody, if necessary :naughty: — Merkwurdichliebe
That’s not how the definition was using governed. It referenced no actual government or community and the word just means there controls. — schopenhauer1
Yep. Remember my arguments around the differences in things like drinking water, taking a shit, and procreating? Procreating is not instinct in the way the first two are (necessary or death). — schopenhauer1
In other words, either "reasonable or unreasonable" makes no practical – existential – difference. — 180 Proof
Precisely! — Merkwurdichliebe
This however raises the question of where exactly in samsara (hell/earth/heaven) souls started out. It's a rather interesting puzzle, oui? Did we begin with a net karma that was positive (heaven/earth) /negative (hell)/zero (limbo)? Basically, how does karma in samsara work? — Agent Smith
I've neither claimed nor implied that. — 180 Proof
Because that's how governed is used unless in the context of talking about government, as in "The people were governed by X government". Anyways, this is pedantic asides. Look up govern in the dictionary, besides the political usage, it means controlling something.irstly, how could you possibly know what they meant? — Isaac
Secondly, one is no more 'controlled' by one's own rule than one is governed by it. If you can change the rule any time you desire, then you are de facto controlled by your desires, not the rule. — Isaac
How could you possibly know where a town will flourish in two hundred years? — Janus
it means controlling something. — schopenhauer1
Well that's a separate issue on whether people change the rules they think they follow. Clearly, that in itself is moving the goal posts and is not moral — schopenhauer1
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