Don't sweat it. It's just religion. It's not meant to be taken literally or rationally. The concept of the trinity is meant to be a sort of brain teaser - the contemplation of the trinity is merely a practice that helps one to reduce dependence on reason. It is only for people interested in cultivating their religious faith. — Merkwurdichliebe
For example, someone above mentioned that Jesus supposedly said something about 'the Father' that made it sound as if 'the Father' might be a distinct person from himself. He said "forgive them father, for they know not what they do" or something. — Bartricks
is either many or one giant Zen Koan(s), meant to evoke :chin: (deep thought) then :confused: (aporia) then :smile: (ataraxia) — Agent Smith
Precisely. It comes in handy when dealing with the irrationallities of real life. — Merkwurdichliebe
Rationality is its own kinda irrationality. Paradoxically, if you haven't ever contemplated ending your own life, you're most definitely insane! — Agent Smith
The doctrine of the Trinity does not make sense because it is an attempt to combine the monotheistic God of Judaism with the pagan belief in a man who is a god. — Fooloso4
A more pious view might regard it as pointing to the limits of human understanding which cannot comprehend the divine. Or as something to be contemplated rather than something to be rationally understood.
Do I know the meaning of absolute properties and properties of relation? Honestly, no. — A Christian Philosophy
properties of relation are: Paternity, Filiation, Procession and Spiration. — A Christian Philosophy
↪Tom Storm Would a clone refer to its original as "father"? Possibly. Would we consider some kind of continuation of personhood as well between a clone and its original? Probably. So obviously we were created by all powerful aliens in their image where only Jesus was a clone. Problem solved. — Benkei
By Law of Identity, if “two” things have the same set of properties, then they are one-and-the-same, and if not, then they are distinct. — A Christian Philosophy
The Trinity is 3 divine persons (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) in 1 nature (Godhead) — A Christian Philosophy
Here is what I know. Spiration is the "making" of the Holy Spirit through the love between the Father and the Son. Procession is the opposite relation from the Holy Spirit towards the Father and Son.Not so sure what procession and spiration are specifically referring to. Any thoughts? — Merkwurdichliebe
Sure. It can be rewritten as "3 divine persons having the same nature".A person is a mind, a bearer of mental states. A 'nature' is had by something. You can't be 'in' a nature - that makes no sense. — Bartricks
I'm not sure we can equate "divine person" with "mind". In catholicism, properties assigned to God are said to be analogical and not literal. But that may not matter as long as they are something. Now, divine persons are indeed not one-and-the-same, due to having distinct properties of relation.There are three distinct minds 'in' what? And if they're distinct minds, they are not one and the same mind. — Bartricks
I am not a theologian, but here are some possible passages:What passage from the bible forces one to think that there are three distinct persons [...] — Bartricks
God is said to be eternal, unchangeable (due to being all actual and having no potential), and thus its properties are not in time.Or one person who has different properties at different times - just as I was once short and now I am tall? — Bartricks
Sure. It can be rewritten as "3 divine persons having the same nature". — A Christian Philosophy
"Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" — A Christian Philosophy
"But I tell you I am going to do what is best for you. This is why I am going away. The Holy Spirit cannot come to help you until I leave. But after I am gone, I will send the Spirit to you." - John 16:7 - this shows the Son and Holy Spirit are separate things. — A Christian Philosophy
"Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done." - Luke 22:42 - this shows the Father and the Son are separate things. — A Christian Philosophy
I'm too dumb to catch half of those references, sorry. All I'm saying is the trinity is bullocks. :pray: [prayer emoji] — Noble Dust
I'm dumb too. Join the club! — Agent Smith
The Trinity isn't nonsense in my humble opinion because religion was never about rationality. Were it so, why all the logical boo-boos in religious texts. The objective of religion, if there's one at all, isn't to make sense to classical logicians and their fans viz. philosophers! — Agent Smith
Here is the catholic take as I understand it. Christianity is a monotheistic religion, thus, 1 God. That God has a set of absolute properties plus a few properties of relations. "The Divine Persons are none other than these relations" (from the same article mentioned above). My understanding is that since properties of relations do not make a new substance, they do not make a new God. Yet they are something, and when it comes to divine properties, these make a thing called a divine person.But then don't you have three distinct persons - three gods - not one? — Bartricks
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