Why did the recycling movement in the 90s succeed where action on climate change fails? Was it a much different government administration and publicization strategy, less dilution of memes via internet? Was society simply more organized and leadership competent? — Enrique
most importantly car culture, which I would argue is the ontological basis of Western individualism and consumerism (I am not of this world because I am in a car). — boethius
I was just responding to your original claim that before Al Gore's Inconvenient Truth, almost nobody knew about CC. — Olivier5
in the field described it as "a science of wild guesses.". — Tate
I drive therefore I am.
Yes, one of the more successful campaigns at getting us to buy things we don't need. I imagine a smoke-filled board room in Manhattan somewhen in the late 1920s -
"People have already bought all the labour-saving stuff that makes their lives easier, it lasts a lifetime, we're going to go out of business. Any ideas?". Long silence.
"We could always sell them stuff they don't need...or make the stuff they do need break...".
"Excellent. We'll do both",
"But people would have to either be really stupid or really desperate to buy stuff they don't even need which breaks after a year",
"Excellent. We'll do both". — Isaac
We are in an ice age guys. Get yourself up to speed. — Tate
For people who don't want to spend effort doing basic web searches about this topic before debating it.
Here's a presentation by a credible scientist on the issue of collapse and climate change:
— boethius
↪boethius In my humble opinion, the biosphere is able to self-correct any perturbations from the equilibrium point. — Agent Smith
as in we are changing the climate from ice-age to not-ice age, — boethius
How do you know we've been in an ice-age as you say? — boethius
If their credible on the ice-age scientific facts you base your argument on ... why are they not credible on their opinions on climate change? — boethius
Is not scientific theory, but things that sound clever to libertarians (who are collectively dumb as toast). — boethius
It's not clear whether increased CO2 will take us out of the present ice age or not. — Tate
↪boethius In my humble opinion, the biosphere is able to self-correct any perturbations from the equilibrium point. There's this concept in physiology termed homeostasis and my hunch is a similar mechanism exists for the living world on the global scale as well. — Agent Smith
You say:
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"The CO2 we've added to the atmosphere will be absorbed into the oceans eventually."
— Tate
And then contradict that statement with:
"As the partial pressure of CO2 in the atmosphere increases, the amount of dissolved CO2 in the oceans will increase. It's Henry's Law."
— Tate
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— boethius
That's not a contradiction. — Tate
That's the standard scientific perspective at this time. — Tate
Global warming is real. Nobody said otherwise. — Tate
↪boethius In my humble opinion, the biosphere is able to self-correct any perturbations from the equilibrium point. There's this concept in physiology termed homeostasis and my hunch is a similar mechanism exists for the living world on the global scale as well. — Agent Smith
Which you have yet to contradict, so are still defending? Or then some cowardly non-defence but ... also not admitting a contradiction!? — boethius
Fact: CO2 levels didn't change despite increased emissions since the 1800s. — Agent Smith
Hypothesis: Negative feedback loops aka the balance of nature. — Agent Smith
What is the relevance of this remark? — Xtrix
However, what's the explanation for the long delay in changes to atmospheric CO2 levels, not to mention the deviation from normal are miniscule. One explanation is there are some negative feedback loops that regulate the concentration of gases in the atmosphere and that's precisely what autoregulation is, oui? — Agent Smith
CO2 levels have increased, not denying that. However, the spike in CO2 levels has been slower and less than expected for the rate and quantity of CO2 emissions. — Agent Smith
A poster had suggested that climate change is simple and easily understood by referencing the laws of thermodynamics. That's not true. Factors as far flung as the present shape of the Earth's orbit are involved in predictions. The fact that the onset of another glacial period is due in the next few centuries is another issue compounding the complexity. — Tate
A poster had suggested that climate change is simple and easily understood by referencing the laws of thermodynamics. — Tate
CO2 levels have increased, not denying that. — Agent Smith
Fact: CO2 levels didn't change despite increased emissions since the 1800s. — Agent Smith
However, the spike in CO2 levels has been slower and less than expected for the rate and quantity of CO2 emissions. — Agent Smith
CO2 levels have increased, not denying that. However, the spike in CO2 levels has been slower and less than expected for the rate and quantity of CO2 emissions. — Agent Smith
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