Stop inventing straw men. — Olivier5
You've heard about the concept of democracy, and how it functions? The majority usually trumps the minority. — Olivier5
Then stick to that. Human rights and constitutions are different issues which I did not evoke and which are irrelevant. — Olivier5
If a majority decide that one race ought have fewer rights than another, that is wrong — Isaac
the majority is fine with conscription — Olivier5
Or too weak a logic to state, peut être — Olivier5
If the majority is fine with conscription, what human right is being trampled, pray tell? — Olivier5
So without conscription, there might be no such thing as human rights. — Olivier5
Ukraine might not enjoy its human rights for long if the Ukrainians fail to defend them against the attacks of the Russian empire. — Olivier5
What facts are you talking about? — Olivier5
These are links, not facts. — Olivier5
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenksy has freed from prison fascist militants convicted of some of the most heinous crimes the country has seen since World War II.
According to a July 11 report in Ukrainian media, Ruslan Onishenko, commander of the now-disbanded Tornado Battalion, was freed as part of President Zelensky’s scheme to release prisoners with combat experience. Along with an unwavering commitment to fascism, Onishenko is known as a psychopathic sadist who was involved in sexually assaulting children, brutally torturing prisoners, and murder.
Onishenko’s release follows a February 27 order by Zelensky to free other convicted former Tornado members like Danil “Mujahed” Lyashuk, a fanatic from Belarus who has openly emulated ISIS and boasted of torturing captives for sheer enjoyment. — https://thegrayzone.com/2022/07/30/zelensky-militants-convicted-child-rape-torture-military/
I'm fine with conscription, and so is the majority of Finns also. Of course, there is the option of siviilipalvelus, a "civil service" where you basically go work in a hospital or fire brigade etc. for 11 months. Hence it's not forced enlistment to the military, even if by the Finnish constitution every Finn has to participate in national defense with the abilities they have. And if you are a male (and healthy, capable to serve) and opt not to serve either, you can spend your time (a bit over five months) in prison. A little bit less than one fifth get a medical discharge from the army.Nobody's fine with forced enlisment into the armed forces. — Agent Smith
Russia has 145 million people and Finland just over 5 million. And history has told us you can survive even from the verge of a catastrophic defeat and yet fight it on to a cease fire.Conscription, if it happens, implies the country's on the verge of defeat - — Agent Smith
You might as well say "without Nazism there might not be any human rights, since that's the way history played out". — Isaac
this is exactly what Yuval Noah Harari argues in Sapiens: apparently, racism and eugenics were discredited because the Nazis lost the war. Shit book — _db
That carries a lesson relevant to this thread: a self-governing people can muster, through conscription, a stronger military force than a dictatorship can, everything else being equal. Whereas a dictator would be liable to be toppled by an army of conscripts, a democracy would be less prone to that. — Olivier5
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