The self-destruct countdown began...quando? — Agent Smith
Sounds like a fair deal. What exactly are you complaining about? — Agent Smith
these kinda professions being only indirectly related to feeding. I consider this a significant improvement and we should be thankful for it. — Agent Smith
The nightmare scenario that you're claiming life is is I think a severe case of cherry picking aka confirmation bias. — Agent Smith
However, as I see it, this ain't a done deal with zero options for improvement. Conditions could be bettered and we may begin to, at some point, appreciate life as gift, worth it, enjoyable, and so on. — Agent Smith
In a sense food lost its numero uno position in re labor to second place, below other more, let's just say, sublime aforementioned activities. To me this is a significant upgrade to the status of work which should matter, oui? Especially if the downsides of having to look for/hold a job is a key premise in an/any argument. :smile: — Agent Smith
Work is, let's just say, mutating - what it's now is orders of magnitude better than it was 30kya — Agent Smith
if all goes well, may have people falling over each other to be given the opportunity to, well, work. — Agent Smith
I believe I've mentioned this before - some ideas tend to be photographs, others videos! — Agent Smith
what it'll become, if all goes well, may have people falling over each other to be given the opportunity to, well, work. — Agent Smith
Well I’m in my early thirties, and i’m really looking for a compelling reason/argument to live (and how to live) that would at least work for me. Suicide has been on my mind for a quite some time, but I really don’t want to cause suffering to people around me. That’s why the search for a reason to live or argument why not suicide. — rossii
I feel like everything used to justify the will to keep going is more just our survival instinct trying to rationalize things. — Darkneos
No, it has to do with the belief that you are your body; and it has to do with the belief that when the body dies, "it's all over".
Note: These beliefs are dogmatic, axiomatic. We're not supposed to question them.
Yet every day, we also act in ways that show that we don't hold those beliefs consistently. — baker
I'd question this desire for something more than survival instincts. Our attachment to life isn't "just" survival instinct, it's a complex of attachments and emotions and history and future and present and...
A complex, I think, is a good description -- leaving open what precisely makes us tick, while noting that it's not simple.
So coming to understand how or why we might come to desire death -- while still being alive! -- will also be complicated. — Moliere
All truth passes through three stages: First, it is ridiculed; second, it is violently opposed; and third, it is accepted as self-evident. — Arthur Schopenhauer
Indeed, I wonder if it is a post-facto excuse for justifying the fact that life entails work, and thus if work isn't meaningful then much of what sustains life isn't meaningful, and thus procreation is putting upon people not a benefit but a burden simply to "deal with". In other words, people MUST find meaning in work, otherwise implications are not good. — schopenhauer1
The reason it isn’t convincing is because the argument is stupid. It’s fundamentally anti-life. That’s more a matter of mood and temperament than sound reasoning. Nietzsche has plenty to say on this— far more articulate than me.
I’m the opposite of you: I don’t have kids, and I’m not convinced in the slightest. — Xtrix
his sentiment (something for nothing) has been associated with "kids these days!", as if to say the notion is puerile, a cardinal sign of an immature mind. However, what about the adult obsession with efficiency, making things easier, etc.? Such concepts, taken to their natural endpoint, imply that even adults want something for nothing. — Agent Smith
It's anti-suffering. — schopenhauer1
If you’re in favor of not having kids, don’t have any. If you’re making arguing that human beings shouldn’t have kids, then you’re anti-life. The result is the end of the species. That essentially says: ”life is evil.” Evil because suffering exists. — Xtrix
Just dressed up nihilism. — Xtrix
Ok, the point is there seem to be unethical nonethical reasons to advocate for natalism and one appears in my previous post. — Agent Smith
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