Meh... Why would propositions be timeless? — Olivier5
Is truth a property of sentences (which are linguistic entities in some language or other), or is truth a property of propositions (nonlinguistic, abstract and timeless entities)?
— Pie
Both, because propositions are in fact a class of sentences. — Olivier5
My point was that you need to look for how an author is using the t-sentence rule. Use varies. — Tate
the disquoted part — Tate
I was asking how you were trying to use it. Whether
the disquoted part
— Tate
refers to the sentence constituting the second part of the biconditional or to some corresponding event or relation, or something else, or all 3. — bongo fury
Then why say "both"? — bongo fury
I dispute the point that propositions are nonlinguistic and timeless entities. — Olivier5
https://academic.oup.com/book/377/chapter-abstract/135193384?redirectedFrom=fulltext&login=false‘Iterability’ explains that Derrida is concerned with the logical possibility — not merely the physical opportunity — for a written text to remain readable when the absence of the sender or the addressee is no longer a mode of presence but a radical or absolute absence. He sees the possibility of it functioning again beyond (or in the absence of) the ‘living present’ of its context of production or its empirically determined destination as part of what it is to be a written mark. We can thus propose this ‘law of writing’: a mark not structurally readable — iterable — beyond the death of the empirically determinable producer and receiver would not be writing.
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/truth-deflationary/Philosophers looking for some underlying nature of some truth property that is attributed with the use of the expression ‘true’ are bound to be frustrated, the deflationist says, because they are looking for something that isn’t there.
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The suggestion that there is no truth property at all is advanced by some philosophers in the deflationary camp; we will look at some examples below. What makes this position difficult to sustain is that ‘is true’ is grammatically speaking a predicate much like ‘is metal’. If one assumes that grammatical predicates such as ‘is metal’ express properties, then, prima facie, the same would seem to go for ‘is true.’ This point is not decisive, however. For one thing, it might be possible to distinguish the grammatical form of claims containing ‘is true’ from their logical form; at the level of logical form, it might be, as prosententialists maintain, that ‘is true’ is not a predicate.
But a sentence is already a class: of tokens, or copies. So you don't need another name for the more inclusive class. — bongo fury
This is pretty good.I definitely need that explained. — bongo fury
In computer science, a pointer is an object in many programming languages that stores a memory address. This can be that of another value located in computer memory, or in some cases, that of memory-mapped computer hardware. A pointer references a location in memory, and obtaining the value stored at that location is known as dereferencing the pointer. As an analogy, a page number in a book's index could be considered a pointer to the corresponding page; dereferencing such a pointer would be done by flipping to the page with the given page number and reading the text found on that page.
I just meant that we can still drop "proposition". — bongo fury
Like a piece of wood can have a certain permanence and durability, a sentence can remain known and meaningful over time. But neither the wood nor the sentence are "out of time". They are just durable, for a while. — Olivier5
I think we humans are pretty good at doing that too. — Pie
I wasn't trying to use it. I took Banno to be asking if we should interpret the quotes as signaling a specific act of assertion. My answer was that you can do that, you just need to explain that to the reader. — Tate
the disquoted part — Tate
refer to the sentence constituting the second part of the biconditional or to some corresponding event or relation, or something else, or all 3 (because it doesn't matter)? — bongo fury
You have to specify the context in which you're using the T-sentence rule. Is it Tarski? Redundancy? Are you try to make into correspondence theory? — Tate
If you're interpreting the t-sentence rule as a rendering of correspondence theory, then — Tate
the disquoted part — Tate
Presumably it's 'we especially rational and charming people who agree with Pie'... — Pie
I personally see truth as a property of certain sentences and other symbolic representations of reality, the property of having a good enough fit with said reality, as far as we can tell. — Olivier5
refer to the sentence constituting the second part of the biconditional or to some corresponding event or relation, or something else, or all 3 (because it doesn't matter)? — bongo fury
Yet the 'meaning' is just the more or less tentatively embraced 'structure of reality.' — Pie
It would be some state of the world. — Tate
The meaning of a proposition remains a representation of reality, at least an attempt at it. It's not the reality it tries to depict. — Olivier5
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