But still, I don't see why belief in God requires being religious. — Yohan
Then, we have: Agnosticism, Atheism, Jainism and Taoism
(The first two are considered as faiths or beliefs, but they still carry the concept and attribute of "religion".) — Alkis Piskas
Then, we have: Agnosticism, Atheism — Alkis Piskas
This is only a figure of speech. From this aspect, there are millions of religions in the world.If you revere your favourite band or movie, it can become like a religion, — Yohan
No, I didn't mean that atheism and agnosticism are or are considered religions. What I said, that "they still carry the concept and attribute of 'religion'" is ineed wrong and thank you for noticing it. I would better say that they are related to religion.Agnosticism and atheism aren't generally considered religions if that's what you meant to say. — praxis
Next time please try to comment on my whole point. Both of you. — Alkis Piskas
Are you too trying to find mistakes in secondary and unimportant points and stick on them, — Alkis Piskas
Glad to hear that. Not esp. because you accepted it --it would be also fine if you didn't-- but because you have read it! :smile:Your main point about non theistic faiths was fine, which is why I left it alone — Tom Storm
I agree. Yet, some atheists try also to prove that God doesn't exist. Which has no sense, as I have mentioned earlier in this thread and elsewhere. You can't prove --and it doesn't make sense trying to do so-- that something does not exist, which you assume a priori that it doesn't exist or which has never been proved to exist! We create an imaginary God in a arbitrary way, we give it imaginary attributes. also in a arbitrary way, and then we try to prove that it doesn't exist neither are its attributes!Just a follow up - when people say atheism is a belief, I general say, 'actually it's a lack of belief.' — Tom Storm
Right. It's a lack of belief, as you said earlier.Just as not believing in fairies is not a belief. — Tom Storm
I know.Of course, I am talking here about a specific usage of 'belief', not just what a person believes... — Tom Storm
The options as far as CONVICTION of God's reality are:An atheist is simply someone who does not believe in the existence of God. That's all. — Alkis Piskas
This is not "simply someone who does not believe in the existence(/nonexistence)of God"We create an imaginary God in a arbitrary way, we give it imaginary attributes — Alkis Piskas
Yes, I mentioned that to you earlier, didn't I?Atheism must be treated like a religion under the First Amendment. — praxis
atheism is more than just related to religion — Alkis Piskas
This is exactly the definition of atheist, not agnostic.This is not "simply someone who does not believe in the existence(/nonexistence)of God"
That is me, as an agnostic. — Yohan
No, this is what you said: "Atheism must be treated like a religion under the First Amendment."What exactly do you mean by that? Simply that it’s necessarily treated like one under the First Amendment? — praxis
What I talked about is Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals. — Alkis Piskas
I told you what I believe these words mean in their most everyday usage.This is not "simply someone who does not believe in the existence(/nonexistence)of God"
That is me, as an agnostic.
— Yohan
This is exactly the definition of atheist, not agnostic. — Alkis Piskas
No, not at all. I appreciated this. Personal definitions are just fine. As far as they do not deviate much from standard ones. That's why I prefer using mainly the second ones. They are the best and safest way in discussing based on common terms and not on misundestood, misinterrpreted and/or distorted definitions or descriptions.Do you disagree that I offered decent definitions of their everyday meaning? — Yohan
Who's standards?Personal definitions are just fine. As far as they do not deviate much from standard ones. That's why I prefer using mainly the second ones. — Alkis Piskas
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