.So you should not be force or coercion not to play against the under 10's
And the psychology of gender relates primarily to the identity function, described earlier by Michael, which is also absent in animals. Only biological sex has any relevance to animals. And that's not an issue here. We all know what it is. The issue is about finding a social solution to a contradiction between psychological identity and biological identity. Your Billy goat won't help us with that. — Baden
The question then is why one's organs are relevant in deciding which football team one is on. — Banno
I read him as denying any discernable definition of gender other than generally thinking himself a man, offering no characteristic of what a man would be.
If we dissociate gender entirely from physical attributes, the concept of physical transition becomes incoherent. How can you physically transition from male to female if you are already a female and your body has nothing to do with that? — Hanover
Not in the sense that the appearance is what determines identity. Wearing a Manchester United shirt isn’t what it means to be a Manchester United supporter. — Michael
You tell me what doesn't count as an attribute of a MU supporter, but can't tell me what does. — Hanover
My position is that wearing the shirt and attending the matches is part of what it means to be a MU fan. As with the trans issue, I similarly would expect a trans MtF to wear women's clothes. That's part of it. Saying the expression isn't part of the identity seems too brittle a distinction. The behavior isn't all you are, but is part. — Hanover
support England when they play. I don't wear the shirt and most of the times I don't even watch the games. — Michael
Something makes you a fan. — Hanover
Your love of the team, your undying commitment to your land, the excitement of singing stupid songs, getting drunk with hooligans — Hanover
Fanhood isn't immutable. From point A to Point B, what causes you to change into a fan? — Hanover
But it's a mistake to say that the cause of that self-identity is the characteristic that constitutes the self-identity. It's not like I recognized that I am English and live in England and then concluded that I therefore must be a supporter of the English football team. — Michael
What you describe as not having occurred in your particular case does happen though. — Hanover
Otherwise you just have a person in a vacuum who claims himself a man for no reason at all. — Hanover
Why bash animals? I've always thought that we are just smart animals, but otherwise there's not much different other than our extreme hubris about ourselves.Animals are irrelevant because they are always stuck at Level 1, being neither people nor social in the sense we are. — Baden
I've always what especially with being a sport teams fans has anything to do with "undying commitment to your land". The collective experience of singing stupid songs and getting drunk and breaking stuff I can imagine.Something makes you a fan. Your love of the team, your undying commitment to your land, the excitement of singing stupid songs, getting drunk with hooligans, whatever, but if it's just an undefined identity, then it's meaningless — Hanover
Might be.It depends on the specific context. In some ways, we are very similar to animals, yes, but it's a minor side issue here anyway. — Baden
I’m not against dress-up and pretend — NOS4A2
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