snow is white - fact — Banno
between true sentence and more occult alleged entities. — bongo fury
Equivocal pointing of "fact". — bongo fury
But a wise fellow once said, concerning pointing, — Banno
Word and object have no inherent connection, but only a mystic confuses the two. — bongo fury
First cab off the rank is that statements don't have a fixed meaning. See Davidson's A nice derangement of epitaphs. There seems to be no way to construct a coherent account of meaning as a convention that will work in every case. No set of rules will be able to capture the whole of meaning, because as soon as such rules are stipulated, some wag will undermine them — Banno
What's that? — Banno
...and? — Banno
It's saying, are you pointing the word "fact" at the true sentence or at some alleged corresponding entity? — bongo fury
But stop having it both ways, and basking in people's incomprehension. — bongo fury
I'll take that point, but make anther. Trust - and honesty - stand in much the same relation to all our utterances, not just to statements. Even dishonesty only works against a background of honesty. So what we have here is not peculiar to truth per se. Indeed the very act of understanding someone is underpinned by a charitable expectation of honesty.
But our topic here is truth. — Banno
You seem to think that (1) and (2) are the same. — Banno
Unlike knife and piece of metal, there's a categorical difference between a sentence and a fact. It really can't be both. — Metaphysician Undercover
Unlike knife and piece of metal, there's a categorical difference between a sentence and a fact. It really can't be both. — Metaphysician Undercover
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