I am asking the question of what it means to find the "true" self. — Jack Cummins
To find one's true self is to confront that monster, and set it free from the prison of the unconscious. It is to face the fear and shame of oneself. — unenlightened
t is a challenge to throw aside all the ideas of oneself relating to others' opinions. Even if one seeks to do it, I wonder to what extent it is possible because as a person one is involved in group situations throughout most of life, like being part of an intersubjective bubble. — Jack Cummins
People may not always be seeking authenticity in principle or by name. However, it is likely to be going on beneath the surface of conscious living because life involves trial and error. — Jack Cummins
So, the only alternative to authenticity might involve giving up in defeat. — Jack Cummins
Temet nosce (Know thyself)1 — Oracle of Delphi
'Know thyself'
Would you agree serious observation results in no self? — ArielAssante
I suppose when I speak of the potential defeat about authenticity it is not really the principle of authenticity but the underlying goals which have not been achieved. These are more about the tangible or practical implications rather than in practice rather than in theory. It is possible to seek fulfillment in an authentic way but end up unhappy with the reality of what occurs in real life. — Jack Cummins
Here's food for thought: Gravity doesn't recognize a self - there's no difference in the way you fall and the way a block of stone of equal mass falls. With respect to physics at least, anatta. — Agent Smith
This is not so true, because at the time of falling there are many possibilities open to the human being which the stone does not have. We can flail around, scream, grab for things, reach for a parachute, whatever. A stone doesn't have these options. — Metaphysician Undercover
I think Heidegger had a lot to say about fallenness. It appears like Dasein has fallen into the world, or something like that. I think this is the process whereby authenticity is replaced by inauthenticity, it has something to do with being present in time. — Metaphysician Undercover
The search for authenticity and knowing oneself may still result in the experience of the dungeon state, as described in the poem.
Yes, Jack.
By nature, “I” am very serious. At one time my approach might have been described as Teddy Roosevelt charging San Juan Hill. Smile! I thought this admirable too: ‘I take pride in this great wall’. After falling down the hill too many times to be counted, I saw that trying so hard was part of the problem. That is, I had not seen the extraordinary effort was: ‘I am ever busy building this wall all around…and for all the care I take I lose sight of my true being.’
There is something* driving me against which the walls are crumbling. There are glimpses of freedom sometimes only a brief moment, now hours, even full days. This makes it easier than before to continue to cooperate with that something. This is not to say there are no moments back in the dungeon state, and not suggesting you are trying too hard. All I can offer is my own experience.
*The reason I write about no self is because that something is not a self. — ArielAssante
Indeed, we may protest in all and sundry ways but the tug of gravity - the force acting on you and a stone with equal mass to yours - will be the same. Nevertheless we maybe able to reduce counter gravity by increasing our air resistance via maximizing our surface area either by simply stretching out our limbs and assuming a prone/supine position or with the aid of a parachute or a wingsuit. — Agent Smith
What be dasein? — Agent Smith
The "force" is said to be the same, that's how the concept of "force" was created. But the effect of that force, on the stone vs. on the human being, is not the same, that's how we can walk upright. Since the effect is different, then we can say that the cause which is identified as the force of gravity is not the same in relation to you as it is in relation to a stone. Why this cause is different in relation to you, from what it is in relation to a stone, I don't know. — Metaphysician Undercover
I don't have data Watson. It's a capital mistake to theorize without data. — Sherlock Holmes
Roughly speaking, things present-at-hand are all the things surrounding us which we are extremely familiar with, the day-to-day items we use on a regular basis, the things whose existence we take granted. — Metaphysician Undercover
Things we don't quite understand, and so we enquire into their nature, therefore things not taken for granted, are things ready-to-hand — Metaphysician Undercover
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