Wise words. Who will watch over my family after I'm gone? — Agent Smith
The humans who are still here. Once they have got their act together of course. Until then, your concerns are justified but we will get there a lot quicker if we get rid of money, private land ownership, exclusive governmental control over military, countries, theistic influence over politics and/or politicians etc, etc.
The fact that the list is still quite long shows how much there is to do. Maybe the anti-life people could get off their misanthropic butts and help out a little more. That would help! — universeness
This, some would say, is building castles in the air, a mere pipe dream. I'm an optimist though so, yeah! — Agent Smith
If god were a machine maybe he could provide some exact mechanistic explanation of himself.Be clearly, lucidly written; no conflicting interpretations, no confusion as to what is intended
Have no internal contradictions
Have no contradictions to genuine scientific knowledge — Art48
I understand this apathy, when facing tasks/changes which seem insurmountable BUT, an old comparator is what kind of general responses do you think you would have got from people if you lived 500 years ago and you looked up at the moon and said 'one day, I think men will walk on the surface of the moon?'
Addition: Maybe we were just born too soon to benefit from such needed change. It took 2022 years to get from the short, even more traumatic human life experience of the days in which the Christian fables are set, to the 'improved' state we are now in for most humans today. I think we need at least the same duration again, perhaps much, much more. Just a few more seconds in the cosmic calendar. — universeness
G'day. — Agent Smith
The Banzai charge was a rather unsuccessful war strategy — universeness
I like Oz speak. I definitely prefer "Bonza!" to the fanatical Japanese scream of "Banzai," during there infamous futile bayonet charges in WW 2. I think most of them got shot. The Banzai charge was a rather unsuccessful war strategy. (sorry javi2541997) — universeness
You are wrong — javi2541997
The problem is, it seems to me, worship – idol-making – not g/G per se. Theism is idolatry. The apophatics got it right, I think: anything said or imag(in)ed (e.g. "graven images", scriptures, theologies, sermons) about the infinite is necessarily finite and thereby false; even (especially) the belief that the infinite "exists" is idolatrous. — 180 Proof
Nothingness. If he would exist I would imagine him as the pure representation of silence and emptiness. — javi2541997
NONE OF IT WAS DOWN TO GOD(s)! It was all down to our behaviour! — universeness
. If God exists and has created the world, then he approves of all this killing, raping, and pillaging. It's how he wants things to be. Anything that proposes to tbe "the genuine word of God" needs to reflect that. — baker
Silence. — Banno
The problem is, it seems to me, worship – idol-making – not g/G per se. Theism is idolatry. The apophatics got it right, I think: anything said or imag(in)ed (e.g. "graven images", scriptures, theologies, sermons) about the infinite is necessarily finite and thereby false; even (especially) the belief that the infinite "exists" is idolatrous. — 180 Proof
Well the theists always use the same argument in that context: God is not guilty of human's free will. — javi2541997
A god could surely just implant complete knowledge in all human minds, without the need for any long-form narrative. — Tom Storm
The big question for me is why is it that god/s are never known directly? — Tom Storm
What about earthquakes, drought, famine, disease, childhood cancer, etc.?Well the theists always use the same argument in that context: God is not guilty of human's free will. — javi2541997
What about earthquakes, drought, famine, disease, childhood cancer, etc.? — Art48
God, in his infinite wisdom and goodness, could have arranged for less bloody ways of humans acting on their free will. But he didn't — baker
Si comprehendis, non est Deus! — Agent Smith
Dicens, advena fui in terra aliena.
[Moses] :flower: :ok: — javi2541997
All these points are plausible and make sense. But they refer to 1) a "rational" God and 2) a God that think as humans think. Yet, such a God may not exist. We must never forget that God is created by Man and not the other way around. What God does and can do is based on what we have imagined for him that he does and can do. We cannot ask later, if he can or should do things that are not expected from him to do.If a God ever did reveal himself/herself to humanity, the revelation would:
Be clearly, lucidly written; no conflicting interpretations, no confusion as to what is intended
Have no internal contradictions ... — Art48
Get involved in philosophical discussions about knowledge, truth, language, consciousness, science, politics, religion, logic and mathematics, art, history, and lots more. No ads, no clutter, and very little agreement — just fascinating conversations.